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August 28, 2009

Depth up-front. It’s there. At least defensively.

Defensive line coach Greg Gattuso, who coached tight ends that first year, remembers those early days of the Wannstedt era and is almost giddy about the wealth of talent he has to work with now.

“I think our depth was challenged a little bit this camp, but we showed we do have the numbers now to survive an injury or two,” Gattuso said. “Obviously, we want all of our guys healthy, but when we first got here we just didn’t have many options. I’ve been impressed with how well the backup guys have played this camp and the great thing is, most of them still have a lot of football to play here so they will only get better.”

Gattuso said a great example of how far the Panthers’ depth at defensive line has come can be found in the fact that a player like Tyrone Ezell (6 feet 4, 270 pounds) — who certainly looks the part — will almost assuredly be redshirted. Five years ago, he would have not only been put on the field and asked to contribute, he might have been the unit’s best player.

“I always say it takes three years for a defensive lineman to really come into his own as a player,” Gattuso said. “We now have enough depth where we can really develop our young guys properly and don’t feel pressured to get them ready to play a game on a given Saturday.”

One other luxury is the variation of players. This gives Gattuso a lot of flexibility, and it gives opposing offenses a lot to think about when deciding how to block.

The match-up stuff may be good, but it is still up to the coaches to use it. Something the defensive coaches struggled to adjust appropriately  in a couple key losses last year (see also, BGSU and Rutgers).

A bit of focus on the defensive backfields as Paul Zeise tries to spell out why he (and presumably the coaching staff) gets so frustrated with Elijah Fields.

Q: I don’t understand exactly what the problem is with Elijah Fields from reading your remarks. Can’t he learn the defenses? Can he not pay attention? Does he not care? We can talk all we want about his “talent” but is it anything more than he runs fast?

ZEISE: I think Pat Benatar would classify Elijah Fields as a “heartbreaker,” because that is what he constantly does to his coaches and his teammates – he breaks their heart. They put their trust in him, they root for him and they believe in him and he seems to find a way to let them down just when they think he is ready to turn the corner and finally realize his enormous potential. A great example was a practice last week when Fields at times was looking like the best player on the field as he flying around and knocking guys senseless. It was one of his best practices. Of course, then near the end in a two-minute drill, he is blitzing on a play and he runs in and knocks quarterback Bill Stull to the ground — even though it was clear the quarterbacks were not live. And instead of taking redirection from coaches about it, he cops an attitude and is promptly sent off the field. It is stuff like that — it is almost never anything malicious but almost always just a sign of immaturity. Another day, he was late for a meeting or something and got demoted to the second team. Again, the he is not a bad kid and I don’t think he is a dumb kid. He knows what he needs to do, he knows where he needs to be — I just think he needs to grow up a little bit and if he does that, then I have no question he is an NFL talent. The problem he has, however, is that time is running out on him and sooner or later he is going to run out of second chances. It really is time for him to get focused on becoming the dominant player he should be.

You know a copy of that ended up nailed in Fields’ locker. Even if he probably reads it and says, “Who the #@%&* is Pat Benatar and where did he coach?”

Anyone else wonder if Buddy Jackson will ever get fully healthy in a preseason to take part in enough practices to be trusted to get in a game? Jared Holley will at least be out there in packages for obvious passing situations. Here’s hoping Aaron Berry is as consistent as he’s been in camp.

Q: Aaron Berry got picked on a lot last year by opposing offensive coordinators — do you see that continuing? If so, does he have the skill to recover and make it stop?

ZEISE: I don’t know that I agree with that completely. He gave up some big plays and I don’t think he had a great year by any measure. But he wasn’t as bad as some people seem convinced he was and he was and is still the Panthers best corner. And don’t forget, he was All-Big East, so he must have done a few things right. And teams certainly didn’t pick on him. That being said, Aaron Berry really had a great camp. He has played as well as anyone on the team and he really does seem more focused this year. I’ve even heard coaches talk about him as a shutdown corner who can take away half the field. I really expect him to have a big season.

The mystery of what is going on with Tony Tucker is still unknown. Pitt has said it is “personal reasons,” excused him and really don’t seem to expect him to return. The kid is from Maryland, and according to the Maryland blog, it seems that there are family things that are in play. So he is looking to be closer to home. Maybe transferring to Maryland or a 1-AA school. Sorry that he’s leaving, but I hope things work out for him.

Then there’s the return game. Cam Saddler and Aaron Smith are battling it out.

The 6-foot, 180-pound Smith is known for possessing the best set of hands among Pitt receivers not named Jonathan Baldwin.

“Aaron makes it look easy,” Saddler said. “I take tips from him every day. He’s relaxed and looks so confident.

“We’re two different types of returners. He has sure hands, and I’ve got the big-play ability. Once I get ‘Aaron hands,’ I think I’ll be all right.”

Smith, however, is haunted by dropping a critical third-down pass against Bowling Green last year in the season opener. Although he played in four games, Smith never saw another pass thrown his way.

“I got caught in a bad situation,” Smith said. “I can’t wait to rebound from that. I had to wait all season to gain their trust back. It’s still up in the air until I get on the field (to prove) I can catch the ball.”

That’s what has kept Saddler from winning the starting punt return job, although he was sidelined last season with a torn ACL in his left knee.

The 5-6, 170-pounder had seven kickoff returns for touchdowns in high school, one short of a national record, and a pair of punt returns for scores as a senior. He averaged 30.7 yards on kick returns and 25.1 on punt returns that year, but he has struggled to catch punts since arriving at Pitt.

“I was never really coached how to catch it,” said Saddler, who is on the first kickoff return unit. “It was just, get back there and catch the ball. Now, I’m getting coached on doing it, and (Wannstedt) wants me to catch everything, so it makes it harder.

“Plus, it doesn’t help that these guys know how to kick. My senior year of high school, it was the center or guard kicking the ball. I knew it wasn’t going over 30 yards, so I could catch it on the bounce.”

Last year, we expected big things from the return game and just ended up with scary. This year I expect a lot more excitement from the return game this year. Almost as scary at times, but also exciting.





These spring and summer football practice articles tend to trickle out some of the most useful information…For those of us screaming to see Fields on the field, now we know why he was not, and may not be again. If I were DW and a kid, no matter how talented, was showing up late for meetings and disregarding the coaches on the practice field, that kid would not play on Saturdays. I also seem to recall seeing an article in the spring that spoke to how Baldwin often ran poor routes and missed blocking assigments much of last year. That told me all I needed to know about why he was not on the field more than he was. It was not that the coaches did not want to play a FR, it was that they wanted the FR to play at level that justified his presence on the field. Dorin Dickerson’s time at Pitt was the biggest head scratcher for me, until I read an article quoting him as saying he did not focus for much of his time at Pitt. Now he is focused, and I’ll bet he will have a great year if that hamstring heals.

Comment by HbgFrank 08.28.09 @ 12:58 pm

Something that ties into this thread…

I went back to watch the Pitt/ND game from 2004ish timeframe(Walt Era, Palko 5 TDs; Cummings kick to win it). I’ve been doing this lately to get psyched up for the FP season. Also, I was there and it was the most satisfying FB wins I have witnessed live. I digress…

One thing that stood out the most to me was how SLOW and SMALL we looked compared to recent Pitt teams– especially on Defense. True to his word, Wanny has built a more physically imposing team compared to Walt. The same could be said for the offense– the line was small and slow on their feet. We had some interesting skill players, but nothing you’d right home about (Furman, Lee, Gill). Ironically, the only player I felt could have started on today’s team would be Palko… I know, I went there! 🙂 Thought I’d share that…it certainly feeds into the recent article on the transformation of talent to more NFL-like bodies.

Comment by Pauly P 08.28.09 @ 1:12 pm

I remember Paul Zeise making the same observation a few days ago …. that this 09 team is definitely the best looking team he has seen at Pitt since he start covering them.

Walt was an offensive mastermind that could often scheme to overcome a glaring weakness — namely is offensive line, although he failed when the line just got completely overpowered (Miami, ND & Utah)

While we may not be getting overpowered these days, we could use some of Walt’s offensive and QB coaching. Don’t get me wrong, I am excited to see what Cignetti can do, and believe he will be be an upgrade; however, I guess we all are taking a wait and see posture when it comes to the offense.

Comment by w Bill 08.28.09 @ 2:42 pm

Pauly, one more thing about that ND game you referenced. I believe that was the game that sealed the deal for Willingham at ND. The year before, ND ran right thru Pitt and didn’t rely much on the passing due to it was B Quinn’s 1st start as a freshman. Yet, a year later, while ND did score against a weak defense, I thought they had a chance of taking over the game in the 4th quarter by overpowering us by running te ball down our throats … yet, even after a decent gain via the grund, ND just kept on passing, eventually leading to key turnover.

Comment by w Bill 08.28.09 @ 2:50 pm

Dear Bill Stull,

Im sicking of reading about how much you suck. Please pull a Yuri and beat your gf and get kicked off the team, and let Tino, who has had a much better camp then you play. You have been in this system for 5 years, and you play like a scared fool. I don’t want to waste this terrific defense on a scrub like you. We have a legit shot at a bcs bowl this year with a good OL, talented rbs and wrs, and a solid Defense.

Don’t screw this up stache.

– regards

(a bit harsh.. maybe.. but thats how i feel)

Comment by Snala the Panther 08.28.09 @ 3:14 pm

Fields seems like a gamechanging unsportsman like conduct waiting to happen.

Comment by alcofan 08.28.09 @ 3:37 pm

Did anyone hear that Paul Jones (PSU blue chip QB) might switch to Pitt? A buddy of mine mentioned it at work today. Any truth to this?

Comment by Brian 08.28.09 @ 4:04 pm

so they canned Willingham and hired Weis, an even more pass-happy coach?

Comment by Jamie H 08.28.09 @ 4:21 pm

Bill, you are so true about that game sealing the fate of Ty. I lived near SB for 10 years, and grew to hate the ND Media Machine. That win was huge for me as a friend. The funniest moment after that game was when we were driving home, listening to ND radio guys, they were slamming Ty and praising Walt “for being an offensive genius”..My friend and I were howling! Walt could scheme okay, but it was just funny to hear the opposing pundits go off!

Comment by Pauly P 08.28.09 @ 4:26 pm

Snala, I totally agree with you 100% and wish Stull actually did read this blog, problem is he would first have to be able to read in order to pull that off. Instead I keep reading the injury wire and hoping for something that will knock him off the first team.

Comment by Heel Hater 08.28.09 @ 4:30 pm

brian.. i heard paul jones opened up his commitment and plans to see other schools… as for picking pitt..no sure about that.

Comment by Snala the Panther 08.28.09 @ 4:30 pm

Brian,

There are rumors out there that Paul Jones may be pulling his commitment to PSU because of Kevin Newsome signing there this past February.

From what I’ve heard, Jones read quite a bit into the recruitment of Kolby Gray and the hiring of Cignetti as a sign that Pitt may be making a shift to a more creative offensive scheme.

Comment by Stoosh 08.28.09 @ 4:34 pm

FYI- I’m off today, watching Jim Rome is Burning…they had Turner Gill (coach at Buffalo) on for an interview. He mentioned that the winn against Pitt would be a big step to MAC respectability..kinda of a “program changing” opportunity… Oh boy, lets hope not!

Hail to Pitt. Beat YSU! One game at a time!!

Comment by Pauly P 08.28.09 @ 4:46 pm

“Please pull a Yuri and beat your gf and get kicked off the team, ”

“I keep reading the injury wire and hoping for something that will knock him off the first team.”

I can’t believe these are actual posts on this blog. You guys are sick.

Comment by BigGuy 08.28.09 @ 4:51 pm

Stoosh that would be ridiculous if that was what turned Jones off. PSU’s offense is already a spread type offense that relies on an athletic QB, which they will have 2 very good ones when Jones goes there, 2 who were much higher recruits than Gray. So why would he be scared if Pitt switched to a more spread offense (which they won’t with Wanny) when the school he committed too already runs one and has stockpiled talent at his position, talent better suited for their Offense than him. That reasoning doesn’t make a whole lot of sense on Jones’s part and I hope that isn’t what swayed him to PSU.

BigGuy…those kind of posts are not from real fans who support the players on their team. Sure maybe Stull isn’t the best option and many hope that he gets passed, but wishing injury is a different ball game. Who knows maybe some Trolls trying to scare away potential recruits a la the PG at Wisconsin who decomitted after reading blog comments about him.

Comment by OntarioLett'sGoPitt 08.28.09 @ 5:34 pm

Actually Zeise is wrong – Elijah Fields is stupid. The fact that he is still at Pitt shows how far schools will bend over backward for athletic talent because I doubt this guy could pass 8th grade classes.

Comment by Joey D 08.28.09 @ 5:55 pm

From the Youngstown Vindicator Re: Poland HS win over Hubbard HS

Senior RB Andre Givens, a Pitt recruit, was bottled up for much of the game, finishing with 49 yards rushing on 18 carries and 50 yards on five catches.

Patton, — who transferred this summer from Penn Hills, Pa., a Pittsburgh suburb — caught six passes for 148 yards and showed some dynamic playmaking ability.“He’s a very intelligent player,” said Brungard of Patton. “He understands the game, he runs great routes and he’s got a lot of skills.“The thing I like about him is he’s a team guy. He blocks hard on run plays, he helps guys get lined up in the secondary and he’s happy when the team does well. And when he gets his chance, he makes the most of it.”

Comment by BigGuy 08.28.09 @ 6:46 pm

see the 2 Pitt stories on PSI attached, the 2nd one is about Jones

link to pod08.prospero.com

Note that Newsome is a 4-star QB and is a freshman, PSU also recruited anoyjer 4-star QB, Bolden who is one of the top-rated athletic QBs in the nation … and maybe better to run their spread.

Nonetheless, I still wouldn’t count on anything until he actually signs … remember his parents are pSU people

Comment by w Bill 08.28.09 @ 8:18 pm

come to think of it, the first story on the attachment linked on my post above is also intriguing … it states that a joint presser with Pitt and Duquesne on Tuesday about men’s bb. My guess is either (A) they will start playing each other in the new arena starting next year, or (B) they will re-start the old Steel Bowl in the new arena

Comment by w Bill 08.28.09 @ 8:30 pm

Gilbert Brown has been suspended for the fall semester due to academic issues:

link to post-gazette.com

That’s not good for business.

Comment by Jeff 08.28.09 @ 8:53 pm

I know people are looking for revenge for the Ricketts debacle, but PSU parents are sadistic. The kid would be disowned or worse. His mom would probably give him death threats. Sadly I’m not exaggerating, either. So I don’t expect it will happen.

As far as Elijah Fields, I doubt he’ll ever get a disastrous personal foul because I don’t think I’ve ever seen him within 10 yards of a ball carrier in a real game. What a waste so far. Great line on the “Who the $#%# is that Pat Benatar guy?”.

Comment by geeman2001 08.28.09 @ 8:55 pm

how ironic … I think Fields and Brown are much alike … great underachieving athletes. I thought Brown never reached the level last year that he was at the end of the previous year (he certainly didn’t progress) … and now this.

Comment by w Bill 08.28.09 @ 9:14 pm

Is Brown just self destructive. Academic reasons this far into his college career. WTF? That’s really hard to believe, and to stomach.

Comment by Carmen 08.28.09 @ 9:49 pm

OntarioLett,

Not sure if I didn’t communicate it well enough, but what I was trying to say is that I’ve heard Jones may be looking at Pitt because it may present more of an opportunity for him to get on the field than what he’d get at PSU.

And for the record, I don’t think Pitt’s ever going to go to a spread offense, but under Cignetti I do think there will be significantly more creativty, variations in formation and more widespread use of the talent on this team than what we saw under Cavanaugh. In other words, I expect the offense to look much more like a Division I offense would look in 2009-10.

And I think some of the kids who signed on this past February and also the recruits lining up now have seen this as well. The players they recruited last year seem more geared to that style of play than they do a ball-control, pro-style game. Makes me wonder if Pitt recruiters went out of their way to let some of these kids know that a bit of a change in philosophy was in the works.

Comment by Stoosh 08.29.09 @ 12:02 am

The Pitt media guide indicates that Brown is majoring in economics. I’m surprised.

Comment by BigGuy 08.29.09 @ 12:07 am

OntarioLett and BigGuy,
Lighten up a little bit please, with your previous statements. As to your statement that “those kind of posts are not from real fans who support the players on their team”, that is the furthest from the truth. I bleed blue and gold, as a matter of fact the only place I ever wanted to go was to Pitt. These statements are made jokingly and out of frustration for years of poor performance. Do I really want Stull to get hurt, NO! Would I instead hope that Wanny would be less conservative and try something new, heck yeah! Will I still support Pitt regardless of whatever happens, definately. I still have an overwhelming sense of pride of where I come from regarldless of what our record is.

Comment by Heel Hater 08.29.09 @ 1:35 am

Heel Hater, thanks for the civility which is often badly needed on this site when referring to the Pitt QB. I guess I have a real problem when anonymous bloggers take callous shots at a college player that is trying his best … although I do realize that many of these posts are somewhat in jest.

Note that Pompeani indicated last night indicated that Jones may re-open his search to other schools (Pitt, Georgia & Oregon) while Gorman has a story on Jones in today’s Trib where Jone’s coach said that Jones is still sold on PSU. …… thus, while I would love to see Jones come to Pitt, I will not be too much up in arms about it, until he actually signs.

Comment by w Bill 08.29.09 @ 7:37 am

Heel Hater – well said…as per my post… totally out of frustration, if stull turns around and becomes the next marino ..i’m all for it.

I get that these are college kids, but 5th year seniors should be ready to take some harsh criticism.

Comment by Snala the Panther 08.29.09 @ 8:22 am

Stoosh my bad,
read your post wrong and I completely agree with you…pitt never goes to a full spread but is suited more for a more-open offense…lots of speed, small athletes, just many quicks to get the ball too….I thought u were saying the Jones news was old and was not going to happen and that was why he didn’t like Pitt…Apologies for misreading, couldn’t agree with you more. Let’s hope for the best with Cig

Comment by OntarioLett'sGoPitt 08.29.09 @ 10:50 am

Chris Peak’s Pantherlair debuted this morning on ESPN1250. There was not a great deal of new information if you have been closely following Pitt’s practices over the past few weeks. Peak did mention that while Sunseri was the star in the first half of camp, once he started sharing 1st team reps with Stull, there wasn’t a large difference between the two. It was then a decision of talent vs experience.

In an interview, Wanny stated that he expected 3 more commitments in the next week or so. Peak later opined that he thought they would be OG Shane Johnson from Md and WR Shakim Phillips (both Rivals 3-stars) .. and mentioned a few other names as the 3rd but was not certain.

Also, Pitt has made the final 5 list for 4-star RB Corey Brown from Philly, a list that includes Miami, Ohio St and WVU …. but then again, Pitt was on the list of many 4-stars this year that eventually verbaled elsewhere

Comment by w Bill 08.29.09 @ 11:22 am

my bet that Pitt and Duquesne b-ball anouncement mught have something to do with hosting the early round of ncaa tourny

Comment by Kurt 08.29.09 @ 3:50 pm

Chas – to echo your squib about the DL maturing – Kevin Gorman of the Tribube-Review did a Sunday morning piece on them…

link to pittsburghlive.com

Comment by Reed 08.30.09 @ 5:11 am

Stoosh – I had a conversation with one of the offensive stars of the Panthers and asked him how he felt with Cignetti, and the first thing he mentioned was how much everyone liked and respected Coach Cavanaugh, but with Cignetti there was a different approach to playcalling. The difference was that Gignetti was tailoring play packages and personnel sets tied directly together to best use player’s individual skills – as opposed to Cav’s sticking with firm personnel lineups and running plays. (I paraphrase the above). The kid was really excited about it and also said that we would see more player substitutions on offense based on situational playcalling.

That was a couple of weeks ago – and then both Gorman and Zeise reported the same thing soon afterward, so I believe that will be a major difference in the offensive mindset with the new OC going into this year.

Comment by Reed 08.30.09 @ 5:20 am

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