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April 21, 2009

Has McCoy Muffed?

Filed under: Draft,Football,NFL — Chas @ 9:33 pm

The majority of mock drafts, for whatever they are worth, have lately shown LeSean McCoy slipping behind UConn’s Donald Brown and out of the the first round of the upcoming NFL Draft somewhere into the 2nd. Essentially, the 4th best running back in the draft.

  1. Chris Wells, OSU
  2. Knowshon Moreno, Georgia
  3. Donald Brown, UConn
  4. LeSean McCoy, Pitt
  5. Shonn Greene, Iowa

Questions have arisen regarding his durability and size to be a feature back. Being sick before the combine and limited in what he could do, combined with a less than stellar pro day at Pitt have done damage to his stock.  At this point, a best case scenario would be a team trades up early in the second round to grab him.

So the question becomes whether he made a mistake by going into the NFL Draft this year? Would he have been better served by playing one more season at Pitt?

  • DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma
  • Jahvid Best, Cal
  • Kendall Hunter, OK St.
  • Noel Devine, WVU

These are some of the juniors this year that would have competed with McCoy as one of the top junior RBs in college for 2009. Odds are McCoy would have still been considered the 3d best or so RB in that group, and at risk of slipping. He might have stayed in the first round, but I really doubt he would have been a top-15 pick.

Running backs have lost some of their elite value in the NFL Draft. Teams are more willing to gamble on later round picks and even go with free agent signees. Some of it is that aside from a handful of elite backs, the difference seems smaller than ever. The other factor is the increased use of running back  committees. Not relying on just one back.

I have a hard time saying McCoy has made a mistake. Given the workload, injuries from high school and limited shelf life makes it a situation where going a little sooner is better than later.

Despite his impressive production, entering the draft as a sophomore (three years removed from high school) was still deemed a risk. But so is another year of taking hits with a heavy workload.

“This game, at our position, you’re only allowed a certain amount of hits and that’s it,” he said. “You’ve got to make sure you take enough hits and get out and go to the pros and do something you’ve always wanted to do since you were a little boy.”





McCoy reminds me completely of the Curtis Martin situation with the draft. Martin got hurt, so that is different, but they both had innate running skills that few possess and slipped in the draft. Being that I’m an Eagles fan, I hope he slips to the 2nd round and the Eagles get him. I don’t think many people realize how many yards he gained without a pathetic passing offense and a questionable offensive line.

Comment by matt nyc 04.21.09 @ 10:07 pm

and don’t be shocked if Blair drops to the early 2nd round in the NBA draft

Comment by Dishman 04.21.09 @ 10:16 pm

I’m not surprised to hear that the consensus on McCoy is that he’ll go in the 2nd rd, behind Brown. If I were picking, I’d also pick Greene ahead of him, because Greene’s running style (north/south) is a safer bet to work on Sundays. McCoy won’t be able to beat people in the pros to the edge the same way and the shaking and baking just doesn’t translate when guys like James Harrison are after you.

I tried to tell folks that he wasn’t a first rounder when he declared, but no one wanted to hear that. He was a superlative college back, and a smart NFL coach will find a way to utilize his skills, but it’s not a given that he’s an every down back in the NFL. Hppe he finds the right situation where he gets that chance, though.

All that being said, it was still the right decision to go. Carrying 300 more times for Pitt wasn’t going to make him any bigger or stronger……

Comment by hugh green 04.21.09 @ 11:40 pm

With our ongoing QB situation, Wanny would’ve used him like a rented mule next year.

Comment by frankinshamokin 04.22.09 @ 7:58 am

Matt NYC. It’s incredible what he did considering defenses stacked against him. He took over games without any passing threat as you said, and with a poor offensive line. Maybe he’s not the “every down” back, but how many players are now a days? A lot of teams use multiple backs. The thing is, watching the kid in games you know he’s a special talent (part instinct part quicks and speed). Maybe he had piss poor testing days, but in the games on Saturdays, he did things last year that those other guys weren’t capable of.

Comment by Ritz 04.22.09 @ 8:35 am

Re: “poor offensive line” Revisionist history being made here based,mostly, on the Sun Bowl. The fact of the matter–looked at from a season-long perspective was that the OL was decent to good up until Houser went down in 2nd half of Rutgers game. After that it was still fairly decent until Pinkston got shelved practicing for the Sun Bowl. Yes, OL depth was weak (weak 2nd teamers) but the first unit when healthy was far from “poor” and overall the unit was at least decent until the Pinkston injury finally revealed the lack of quality depth.

Comment by pitt1972 04.22.09 @ 9:43 am

He made the right call. Another season of being run into the ground by Wannstedt wouldn’t have made him any money next year.

Comment by maguro 04.22.09 @ 9:57 am

I think he made the right call, too. Running backs have a short shelf life and most go early if they can because of that.

Comment by Mark 04.22.09 @ 10:00 am

Lets be honest, he left for two reasons: Bill Stull and Matt Cavanaugh…and who could blame him.

I wish him all the best but I see him struggling in the NFL. At least he will get the opportunity every player dreams of and the pay day to go along with it.

Comment by Rex 04.22.09 @ 10:31 am

Cant blame him at all. Wanny would have ran him into the ground this year. That could have done 3 things – increased his draft status via individual performance, change nothing, or get him hurt.

Given the conference, the team, and the college landscape, I dont really see how he could have been that much more productive to move him into top 15 or so draft status.

Most likely, nothing would have changed regarding his status unless he got hurt. For a guy that is small, already has been used ALOT in his career and looking like he would get another 300+ carries this season, injury would have been more likely.

Very similar to the Blair situation – what would be gained by staying? Looking from the outside, I cant see much upside.

Dont forget, getting players to the NFL and NBA is a big selling point for each coach. Having kids be able to go pro (leave early or not) should do good for the recruiting.

Comment by greg 04.22.09 @ 11:15 am

I only think he messed up if he truly wanted to stay, but was convinced to go by people telling him he’d be a guaranteed first rounder and maybe the #2 back overall. I always got the impression from things he said and the way it unfolded that his heart wasnt into going to the NFL yet. If that’s the case, I just feel bad for him because he might be stuck wondering- especially if he falls even further and Pitt has great season without him. At this point we all just have to hope he goes as high as possible and wish him luck

Comment by Dan35 04.22.09 @ 12:04 pm

I think that Shady will do just fine in the NFL. He will have a problem with fumbles if he can’t be taught to keep that ball on his hip…I like Donald Brown a lot as well. Both Shady and Brown played for teams that had no other option on offense but them, yet they were still very successful. Seriously, I thought Pitt’s passing game was the worst…until I saw UCONN’s. Now, Moreno is great, but oh by the way, the QB from his college team will likely be the number one overall pick in the NFL draft. Chris Wells basically played the entire season with another back that has sub 4.4 speed under center. The bottom line is that the teams that played Pitt and UCONN set up their entire defense to stop the run. How well would Moreno or Wells have done under those circumstances? I doubt any better (maybe even worse for Wells) than Shady or Brown did. I would be very surprised to see Shady fall any further than the 5th or 6th pick of the second round. If the Cardinals still have the 31st pick in the first round, I think Shady or Brown would be great fits for that offense.

Comment by HbgFrank 04.22.09 @ 1:18 pm

Well said, HbgFrank

Comment by Chuck Morris 04.22.09 @ 3:48 pm

“what would be gained by staying? Looking from the outside, I cant see much upside”

greg. Not much to be gained by staying. Just a college education and the associated experience that one gets from attending college if he stayed another two years.

(I have to do some research to find out if any former highly paid pro players wished that they had a college degree 5 or 10 years after their pro careers were over. I’ll let you know if I find anything out.)

Comment by BigGuy 04.22.09 @ 4:55 pm

If not selected in the first round McCoy’s move was a mistake. He could have taken the NCAA insurance, which would not have cost him a penny until he signed a pro contract or had to collect on the insurance due to an injury. He was a legit Heisman candidate this season and that would have boosted his stock in the NFL draft. Making him more money.

Comment by Marty 04.22.09 @ 5:05 pm

BigGuy – even if he does not make it in the NFL, college is still an option after. sure he will have to pay for the education this time, but anybody can get federal funding through the govt. stafford loans these days.

Comment by greg 04.22.09 @ 5:14 pm

“even if he does not make it in the NFL, college is still an option after.”

greg, you are right. Some players do make the effort and take the necessary steps to obtain their degrees. But too many look at the number of credits necessary for their degrees, the number of years required by going part time, their current obligations (wife, child supports, etc.), resulting change in their life styles, etc. and find the task insurmountable. Let’s hope that Shady will make the effort.

Comment by BigGuy 04.22.09 @ 5:40 pm

I don’t know what it is but I lose interest in players once they leave, especially when they choose to leave Pitt early. (I’m not an NFL fan at all)

In all honesty I’m a lot more worried about regular students who graduate from Pitt who won’t be able to find a decent job when they graduate than anything McCoy will do as a pro.

Comment by ChrisA 04.22.09 @ 6:25 pm

“I’m a lot more worried about regular students who graduate from Pitt who won’t be able to find a decent job when they graduate ”

ChrisA, There are a lot of statistics afloat suggesting that 60%+ of former NFL players are broke 5 years after their pro careers are over. If degreed people find it tough, the future for non-degreed people who are used to a certain life style must be discouraging.

Comment by BigGuy 04.22.09 @ 6:51 pm

Maybe that emotional meeting Wannstedt referenced with Shady was all about Shady letting lose on weak coaching. Wouldn’t spy cam have been useful? Watching DVDs of the Walt Harris area I am perplexed. Wannstedt hasn’t come close to Walt’s three year span of 2002-04 and yet we tolerate him. Interesting.

Comment by TonyinHouston 04.22.09 @ 7:23 pm

Maybe that emotional meeting Wannstedt referenced with Shady was all about Shady letting lose on weak coaching. Wouldn’t spy cam have been useful? Watching DVDs of the Walt Harris era I am perplexed. Wannstedt hasn’t come close to Walt’s three year span of 2002-04 and yet we tolerate him. Interesting.

Comment by TonyinHouston 04.22.09 @ 7:25 pm

TonyinHouston: Completely agree with you. Sad thing is that we are going to be stuck with him unless the program REALLY sputters. Dave is too good of a coach/ recruiter, and the Big East is not a good enough conference for that to forseeably happen in the next few years.

Comment by greg 04.24.09 @ 11:26 am

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