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February 6, 2009

Has anyone considered what will happen if the whole Cavanaugh to the Jets thing falls through? I mean everyone has all but packed his bags and put him on the next flight out of town. He hasn’t resigned yet, there is no official word. I’m just saying.

Now that Bob Smizik took retirement, it seems Ron Cook has assumed the mantle of crotchety,old, contrarian-for-the-sake-of-it columnist. He warns against expecting too much with a change of offensive coordinators because of the QBs still there.

But before you give Cavanaugh one final kick on his way out the door, ask yourself this: Was the conservative offense his fault or Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt’s? It was Wannstedt who insisted on a pro-style offense. Cavanaugh was just following orders.

Beyond that, any offensive coordinator is going to look like an idiot if the quarterback can’t execute plays. How much more creative could Cavanaugh have been with Bill Stull and Pat Bostick?

Stull never improved much last season. Down the stretch, he was bad in a loss at Cincinnati, bad against West Virginia in a game that star running back LeSean McCoy won, bad in the first half at Connecticut and dreadful in the Sun Bowl.

Bostick also has been disappointing. It’s not so much because he had a tough 2007 season as a true freshman, thrown into the starting lineup before he was ready because of Stull’s hand injury in the first game. It’s because Wannstedt and Cavanaugh thought so little of him last season that they burned his redshirt at Navy before they had to do it. They never would have done that if they considered Bostick a future star.

He kinda, sorta, concedes that his evaluation of QB talent is a legitimate issue. He tries to argue that it falls on the QBs and their lack of talent for failing to develop by citing Tyler Palko apparently being a fan.

That’s a crap argument. First of all, Palko was already further along in his development before Cavanaugh came on (and it conveniently ignores the misery of Palko’s first year under Cavanaugh’s direction). Palko is also the son of a coach, a film junkie and simply more talented.

Stull had been under Cavanaugh’s tuteleage the entire time at Pitt. That also means, Cavanaugh should have known what Stull could and could not do. As much as Stull regressed during the season, too many plays called for Stull to make throws that everyone else knew he could not make.

I don’t think anyone disagrees that Coach Wannstedt has a conservative influence on the offensive scheme. At the same time, what other scheme has Cavanaugh run other than a pro-style, West Coast offense?

As for the offense having issues regardless of who is the OC next year. I agree. I think most Pitt fans understand that unless the QB play takes a step towards real competency and consistency, the offense will struggle regardless of who is coordinating. It is still a change that needs to be made.

Interesting analysis of the rumored names for the OC by Paul Zeise. I appreciate the dripping sarcasm regarding “Pitt guys.” I hope he’s wrong about Van Pelt, though. He just does not have the experience to make me feel comfortable as a coordinator.

I think he overstates the drag on the hirings for potential short-termers of Noel Mazzone and Chan Gailey. That possibility of leaving after a brief stay didn’t stop him from hiring Phil Bennett as DC.

I guess the thing about Gailey is whether he permanently damaged himself in his spells as a head coach that killed his OC abilities. Did he come down with Paul Hackett disease where after some experience as a head coach he lost all feel and skill as an OC to call a game and teach. Remember, once upon a time, Hackett was a fine OC and teacher. Then — as Jets fans can attest — he never came back.

While on the subject of assistant coaches, a nice puff pice for Jeff Hafley and recruiting New Jersey. Talking about being the hardworker and insane hours, complete with bringing an air mattress to the office.

“That’s got to make an impression on you,” Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt said. “Either the guy is really committed, or he’s out of his mind – in some cases, both.”

Wannstedt promoted Hafley to Pitt’s secondary coach when Chris Ball left for Washington State last year. Hafley, a Montvale, N.J., native, immediately volunteered to focus his recruiting efforts on his home state, even though Pitt had landed only three New Jersey prospects in the previous four seasons.

“We had recruited New Jersey, but we just didn’t have one specific guy focused on it,” Hafley said. “You’ve got to get one guy to focus in on New Jersey.

“When I got hired, I said, ‘Coach, I’d like the shot to recruit New Jersey. It has great football, and they all know Pitt.’ “

And finally, the Octonion returns to answer the question, what happens when you give fruit hope? It’s the assigned reading for today.





I don’t know about Van Pelt’s ability to coach, but he was a backup for the Bills for 10 years, and is a film room junkie. Currently he is an Offensive Quality Control Coach for the Bills.
As a color-commentator for the Bills, his observations were spot on. I remember one game being played against the Jets (with Paul Hackett as O.C.) Van Pelt was predicting every play that Hacket was calling. The guy knows quarterbacks and he knows football, and it seems like he does have some experience in coaching.

link to en.wikipedia.org

Comment by Riderrine 02.06.09 @ 1:56 pm

Ah let me just say that Cavanaugh is gone, I have a source who says his resignation letter has already been sent in.

Comment by Jake 02.06.09 @ 2:37 pm

You may remember that Cav was fired at Baltimore right before Wanny hired him. Jim Fassil replaced him as OC and lasted less than 2 years … and Kyle Boller had a much stronger arm and better OL than Stull.

Don’t know what any of this means but I do know that I would love to see Walt come back (although I really doubt that it will happen)… especially when you think what his teams accomplished when the conference was stronger, his OL was weaker, and Paul Rhoads was DC. I realize that he had to go when he did, but I also think he still takes pride in seeing Pitt being successful considering how bad the program was when he took over, and would work with Wanny to make it so. (Yes, Mark, I am being totally idealistic here but also believe you are way too cynical about Wanny.)

Comment by w bill 02.06.09 @ 3:28 pm

Get Tyler Palko to be offensive coordinator.

Comment by Joey D 02.06.09 @ 5:25 pm

Cav was not as bad as you all make him out to be and the next guy will only be as good as QB plays.

Comment by TMG Panther 02.06.09 @ 5:36 pm

Cav was bad because:
he brought in the QB’s that play. In recruiting, the QB’s coach has to at least sign off on bringing in a QB and should be the overall recruiter. Cavanaugh seemed to have both a bad eye for talent and no talent for bringing in talented QB’s if they did target better ones.
So yes, he was as bad as people make him out to be and for precisely the reason you say. He is only as good as QB play: which he recruits, develops, and coaches.
And everyone has talked about Harris: Every single QB Harris brought in and coached up was better than anyone we have seen from Cav at this point. Even backups showed talent: eg. Luke Getsy and Joe Flacco.

Comment by Willy Ralphard 02.06.09 @ 6:06 pm

Yeah right, and if Stull lights it up next year you will all credit the new OC/QB coach. Let me get this right. Harris was a genius for developing Palko and shelving Flacco? Is that the point? I don’t recall seeing Palko in the NFL playoffs this year?

Comment by Tiger Paul 02.06.09 @ 8:45 pm

USF has Marquette on the ropes. 51-50 with 5 minutes left

Comment by Tiger Paul 02.06.09 @ 8:46 pm

Alright, maybe I was completely in the dark about this, but wasn’t Pat Bostick a 5 star recruit, the PA player of the year, and a top national QB prospect that was widely recruited by lots of schools?

How exactly is it Cavanaugh’s fault that must intramurals quarterbacks have better form than him? It isn’t like Bostick had offers from Pitt and a bunch of juco’s.

Comment by Joey D 02.06.09 @ 8:51 pm

Joey d, You can’t reason with this group about Cav. They are convinved that it is all his fault and that the great savior is on his way.

Comment by Tiger Paul 02.06.09 @ 9:04 pm

Marq goes down to USF. No undefeated BE conference teams

Comment by Tiger Paul 02.06.09 @ 9:09 pm

How can an offensive coordinator choose Palko over Flacco and still keep his job?

How can a previous NFL head coach go along with that decision and still keep his job?

Both should get the hook.

Comment by steve 02.06.09 @ 9:53 pm

Wanny/Cav inherited a team with a returning juniot QB that had led the team to a bowl game ….and was CLEARLY the team leader. And he didn’t exactly stink it up in his last 2 years, especially when he was a senior when Pitt averaged over 30 ppg. The problem with those teams was that sieve they had for a defense.

I would like to offer as an analogy of what happened to our favorite school about 3 hours east of us this year. Daryl Clark led them to a BCS Bowl and a Top 10 ranking while back-up Chris Devlin, a pro-style QB, is taking the Flacco route by transferring to Delaware. I have no doubt that Devlin will make it before Clark as a pro QB but does that mean PSU was wrong for playing Clark?

Comment by w bill 02.06.09 @ 10:06 pm

No Tiger Paul that wasn’t the point. The point was that he was able to spot and have an eye for talent. Read what I said. I said every single QB that Harris brought in and coached was better than anyone Cav has. That is every single one that I can remember. Rutherford, Priestly, Flacco, Palko, Getsy…

Bostick was a “supposed” high recruit. but anyone with half a football brain who has watched the kid, can see, he has no mobility, a slow release, and poor arm strength. Maybe not a bad kid but not a stud D-1 QB. He’s playing at the wrong level. So the one “supposed” high recruit Cav got was worse than any brought in by Harris.

Also referencing your comment about Flacco and Palko, look at the situation a little. Flacco transferrred after his first year w/ Cav, so lets not blame that on Harris. Flacco’s first year was when Rutherford was a senior. so he had no chance of playing. IN year two his redshirt freshman year, I HIGHLY doubt that Flacco…who was in fact a little bit of a project was ready to start. I would bet that Harris made the right decision that Palko was ahead of him at that point. Palko, a coaches son, and well known film/playbook junkee was probably more ready to play, but not to be the better QB in the long run. It worked out fine as they went to a BCS bowl. The next year, when CAV took over incidentally Flacco would have been more developed and maybe more ready to compete. But, Cav didn’t play Flacco, or give him a shot, so he bolted after the 2005 season and became a stud. Because why???? Harris had an eye for talent and knew the kid could be a stud.
Also, your crazy if you don’t think cav single-handedly may have cost Pitt the Bowling green game, may have been the worst play calling ever. I’m not saying Harris should take over, I’m just saying it’s good Cav will be gone. And, my point about Harris was that he had one gaping hole that Cav didn’t have and eye for talent and a way of getting it. Also, he did a hell of a job developing guys like Gonzalez (in his senior year) and Priestly.

Comment by Willy Ralphard 02.06.09 @ 10:09 pm

NO ONE wanted to put Flacco in over Palko at the time. Flacco would have been killed behind Pitt’s crap O-line at the time, which would stunted his development as a qb.

I kind of understand the hate for Cav, but not to the extent that most people have. We were the highest scoring team in the big east with a QB who is miserable on his best day. I wanted to see what he could do with a decent qb before calling for his resignation

Comment by matt in orlando 02.06.09 @ 10:10 pm

Matt In Orlando

I bet $ to Doughnuts that the first play in the first game for the Jets this year will be a run up the middle. Even if Farve is still the QB.

We scored NOTHING in our bowl Game. 0.0, NADA, with a NFL first round draft pick in the back field.

Comment by Tony In Harrisburg 02.06.09 @ 10:25 pm

1st of all, Cav is to be the QB coach; Brian Shottenheimer (mary’s brother) remains as OC. Since they are hiring a QB coach, this should tell you that Fav-re is not returning.

Well I was not infatuated with Cav’s playcalling at the Sun Bowl, I think the fact that thye had 2 starting OLs missing (remember, Malecki went out also) had a bigger impact — remember they guy who played opposite Clowser was named player of the game.

Comment by w bill 02.06.09 @ 10:32 pm

Matt two words: LeSean McCoy…any team with him would be bound to score the most points in the BE.

Comment by Willy Ralphard 02.06.09 @ 10:43 pm

Ok Steve, I’m not trying to be a jerk, but you brought up something that bugs the hell out of me.

I said this a year ago, and I’ll say it again now.

We should NOT revisit the decision to play Palko over Flacco way back in 2005.

As I said then, now that Joe Flacco’s an NFL player, we’re going to hear a lot of people second guessing a decision that was made by Pitt back in 2005.

First of all, NONE of us disagreed with the decision or even gave a crap about Flacco leaving when it happened. It was a little blurb in the Post-Gazette that day that we all skipped over.

Second of all, there were 110+ Division 1 coaches that would’ve taken Palko over Flacco at that point in time. At that time, if anyone would’ve said differently, we’d all have thought they were insane.

I’m sorry, but I’ve had to say this to everyone who wants to revisit the Palko vs Flacco non-situation that happened at Pitt in 2005.

I’m happy to see Cav go, but that’s one thing I’m not going to put on him.

The ONLY person who saw the potential in Flacco early on was Walt, and not even he would’ve played him over Palko if he were still coaching the team in 05. I mean, if Pete Caroll had Joe Flacco, would he have played him over another guy who turned out to be a lesser NFL prospect in John David Booty? Ummm…. no.

There’s simply nobody at Pitt to blame there. He went to Delaware, something clicked, he caught fire, and went to the NFL.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my dad 02.07.09 @ 3:04 am

Gorman in the Tribune Review lists some interesting statsregard Harris’ last four years (when Harris’ offenses were most productive) and Cav’s four years:

Matt Cavanaugh

Year Rushing Passing Total Offense Scoring
2008 139.1 (65th) 203.4 (68th) 342.5 (77th) 27.1 (50th)
2007 141.4 (71st) 178.1 (104th) 319.5 (108th) 22.8 (91st)
2006 123.0 (78th) 249.3 (20th) 372.3 (37th) 31.8 (14th)
2005 116.8 (93rd) 219.0 (67th) 335.8 (85th) 24.3 (73rd)
Totals 130.1 213.5 342.5 26.5
Walt Harris
Year Rushing Passing Total Offense Scoring
2004 97.8 (105th) 260.1 (24th) 357.8 (72nd) 27.1 (48th)
2003 117.5 (95th) 288.2 (14th) 405.7 (34th) 29.9 (35th)
2002 143.1 (64th) 215.1 (59th) 358.2 (78th) 25.5 (70th)
2001 123.4 (84th) 221.3 (56th) 344.6 (82nd) 23.8 (79th)
Totals 120.5 246.2 366.6 26.6

Comment by Reed 02.07.09 @ 4:58 am

JC’s Dad: What clicked is some non-bozo coach realized that Flacco could throw the ball 60+ yards in a straight trajectory. Such a skill was lacking even in Palko. And such a skill doesn’t change much over time.

I also dismissed it when Flacco transferred. But I never attended practice.

Comment by steve 02.07.09 @ 8:08 am

When I first started to read this board, it was informative to say the least. Now it is turning into a back and forth gripe board. On to find another.

Comment by steve 02.07.09 @ 8:34 am

The Flacco/Palko discussion is absurd. Harris has even gone so far as to say that it was the most difficult decision he had to make while at Pitt. Obviously Flacco was talented, but Palko also did a very good job for the Panthers (especially considering the weak offensive line he played behind). Palko was a very good college qb, but not a proto-typical pro-style qb. A lot of guys like him can be very successful in college and just not well suited for the NFL…by the same token some guys are more suited for the NFL than college (Flacco).

Comment by TJ 02.07.09 @ 10:25 am

To reach the next plateau in football Pitt needs stability in its coaching staff, which it hasn’t had, and is not likely to get. Today’s intense pressure to win now has forced us to go with the players most likely to accomplish this now and squander the potential of others. The Delaware coach would have started Palko in front of Flacco had he had him in his stable of QBs.

The strongest arm and most athletic QB Pitt has, Kevan Smith, just quit football and no one cares. Apparently there is more to Quarterback play than throwing the ball 60 yards. Does anyone believe that some “non-bozo coach” can coach him up and turn him into a Flacco? Speak up now so we can hire him as the next OC.

Hind sight is great but does anyone care to pin this on Cavanaugh at this moment for failing to evaluate or develop Smith as the next QB wonder boy?

Although Cav’s stats are almost identical to Walt Harris’s, he has taken quit a beating on this board. Unless we can come up with a spectacular OC with great recruiting skills we would have better off with Cav, only time will tell.

And don’t expect miracles from the new OC. He won’t give our QBs stronger arms or instant on field recognition of defenses and open receivers.

Comment by shadyforpresident 02.07.09 @ 10:53 am

I’m sorry i contributed to the Flacco/Palko comparison. That wasn’t my intent. My intent was to point out that receuiting and talent evaluation is an inexact science and if it wasn’t Bostick would be a star. It isn’t like Cav was the only knowledgeable footbal person projecting him as a stud QB. I don’t think Harris or Cav necessarily made the wrong decisions on Flacco. Hindsight is always 20/20. it’s easy to say now that any knowledgeable footbal person with “half a brain” would recognize Bostick was lacking in talent. If that’s true, why was he so highly rated? Finally, I liked Harris but I like the DW a[pproach of building up the line play and developing a program for the long term. Harris brought in some great skill players, but we never got over the hump becuase he didn’t build the right foundation. Line play is the foundation of a great program. This is my last word on the subject until we finsih BB season. Till then I’m only commenting on basketball.

Hail to Pitt and let’s destroy dePaul. Hope the team saw or read about the USF game last night.

Comment by Tiger Paul 02.07.09 @ 11:49 am

OK, yes, this is an absurd discussion. I apologize and I wish the QB of our 1976 championship team all the best of luck in the future.

Comment by steve 02.07.09 @ 1:26 pm

I can’t possibly be objective about Van Pelt. After I decided to come to Pitt, he was the very next player the Bills picked up (a late-season addition after Jim Kelly went on IR). I loved watching him play against the Steelers in the playoffs when Kelly was hurt for a few plays, loved watching him beat Marino’s Dolphins, and followed his career as a backup all the way to the end. It’s weird to say, but from a Pitt/Bills fan perspective, Van Pelt is one of my favorite football players.

Also, from a career perspective, the Bills are going nowhere fast at the moment, and it would be a boost for AVP’s career to be anywhere BUT Buffalo right now.

Comment by Brian H in Brooklyn 02.07.09 @ 2:55 pm

The stats between cav and walt are similar but Walt coached when Pitt played in a real conference with Miami and Virginia Tech on the schedule every year.

Comment by Andrew 02.08.09 @ 1:06 am

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