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November 13, 2008

Football Assortment

Filed under: Coaches,Football,Honors,Players,Wannstedt — Chas @ 8:28 pm

Sorry for just quick stuff. I’m a bit overloaded and even a bit behind on things — including a slightly delayed preview week for college basketball at FanHouse.

I still need to put some more thought into the Big East choice of commissioner. For the record, Chancellor Nordenberg has been great for Pitt and Pitt Athletics. That isn’t an issue to me. I do question his decisionmaking with regards to the Big East conference, which is something different. So, the fact that he was co-chair of the search committee that made this decision puts a lot of the responsibility on him.

In the semifinals of individual awards, it is no surprise that Scott McKillop has been named a semi-finalist for the Trent Ronnie Lott award and the Chuck Bednarik Award. Both are for outstanding defensive player.

LeSean McCoy made it to the final-15 for the Maxwell Award — the top collegiate player — which is something of a minor surprise. No surprise, that he was named one of 10 semifinalists for the Doak Walker award for best running back. He’s got a shot, but at the same time he isn’t a lock. If you look just in the Big East, he’s behind Donald Brown in YPC and total yards.

The Cinci game is a 7:15 ESPN2 primetime game. Pitt made the wise decision to move the IUP-Pitt basketball game to a 4pm start from 7 pm. Good call.

Pitt also put up a link page to all the potential bowls Pitt could be attending — sort of. More precisely, all the bowls the Big East is directly tied-in to. After all, the BCS Championship game and Rose Bowl are not even realistic should Pitt win out the season.

I’ve said it before, I like both beat writers for Pitt football. Both do a good job overall. It’s also fun to dissect things. This week, Paul Zeise has been focused on the secondary issues. It came out in his “Good, Bad & Ugly” review of the Louisville and the question answered in a Q&A.

Q: In your “Good, Bad and Ugly” summary you hit the nail on the head with the ugly — On the touchdown pass [in the Louisville game] Aaron Berry threw his hands up in confusion immediately after the play, during the extra point and the whole way over to the sideline where he met with Phil Bennett. It also appeared that Cantwell and Simms were throwing at Berry every chance they had. And when the kid is visibly showing his confusion, it’s hard to blame teams for throwing his way. You also mentioned some time ago that it looks like Eric Thatcher is getting beat (since he usually has to make the TD saving tackle or is the closest guy to the play), but in reality he may be just cleaning up. My questions are: How much of the blown coverage is truly Aaron Berry and how much in safety coverage? Is it a matter of confidence with Berry or does he not understand the playbook?

Jim Raible, Irwin

ZEISE: Those are great questions — and the answers are simple — some of it is on the corners and some of it is on the safeties, hence the confusion back there. On certain plays it has been the corner just getting beat, or worse, thinking he had zone coverage when the play called was for him to be in man coverage, but sometimes it is a corner knowing he was supposed to have safety help over the top and the safety isn’t there. It has been a real issue because the breakdowns are so easy to see from the press box. This is something that really needs to get solved. I think it is simply a matter of communication and making sure before the ball is snapped every player is on the same page. There have been plays when Berry was at fault, but there have been plays when it has been Thatcher or Dom DeCicco or Elijah Fields as well. And on the other side — with Ricky Gary or Jovani Chappel — it is just simply that both are struggling in man coverage and probably would be better off if they had safety help over the top on most plays. These things can get resolved, but if Pitt is going to win the Big East they need to make sure the touchdown pass thrown by Louisville is the last time this year a receiver is running down the middle of the field with nobody in the secondary even close to him.

That developed into his story in the PG today.

“It has become personal because guys think they can come in here to Heinz Field, or even when we are on the road and throw a lot of deep balls at us now,” Gary said. “We had what you would call a little tweak in our defense against Rutgers and some guys got behind us so now a lot of guys think they can get behind us.

“But it isn’t like people think it is. Sometimes receivers get the best of corners in certain games so we just need to regroup. We are going to redeem ourselves and show the world that our secondary is better than what people think it is.”

Part of the problem, according to Gary, is miscommunication, but it is also that players try too hard to make big plays.

He said the 30-yard touchdown pass the Panthers gave up against Louisville Saturday, for instance, was an example of miscommunication between a safety and a corner, resulting in a bust and a wide open receiver.

Gary said defensive coordinator Phil Bennett has made it clear that those kinds of busts will no longer be tolerated.

Or else what? That actually wasn’t answered.

Meanwhile if you have read Kevin Gorman this season — especially his notes in his blog — he has cast a dubious eye towards Coach Wannstedt’s constant refrain from week one about winning the turnover battle. That led to this week’s story.

The statistic is such a prominent part of his philosophy that Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt finds it inconceivable that a team can win games without likewise owning the turnover battle.

Yet his Panthers have proven it’s possible on a near weekly basis.

“We pretty much made a joke of the turnover ratio,” Pitt quarterback Bill Stull cracked last week.

That explains why Wannstedt was so relieved when No. 21 Pitt (7-2, 3-1 Big East) forced five turnovers – and committed none – in a 41-7 victory over Louisville Saturday.

“Finally, we play a game where we win the turnover battle,” Wannstedt said. “It was a long time coming. This was a game where we needed to force some turnovers, and we did.”

In the previous eight games, the Panthers had confounded Wannstedt. They won the turnover battle only once, against Syracuse, and finished even another time, against Buffalo.

Even after the lopsided Louisville game, Pitt has four more turnovers lost (17) than gained (13) and is in a six-way tie to rank 85th nationally with a minus-.44 average per game.

I’m not so sure that Pitt truly needed to force turnovers to win. It made it look easy, but “needed?” Um, not really.

Nice story on the defensive line — focusing on DTs Rasheed Duncan and Mick Williams.

In another Q&A, Zeise notes the impact of strength and conditioning coach Buddy Morris, including admitting he had been dismissive of the change in that before Morris returned.

And of course cursory stories about getting ready for Cinci. Hard to do much yet with that on a bye week and Cinci playing L-ville tomorrow night. Brag about the trophy?

“It’s the River City Rivalry for a reason,” Pitt linebacker Scott McKillop said. “We’ve been lucky enough to have the trophy the past three years. … No matter what the trophy looks like, we want to keep it in-house. I just wish we could pick it up and carry it around, but it’s a little bit heavy.”

The “reason” is that the Big East wanted to show everyone that they can jury-rig a rivalry/trophy game to match the Big 11’s Land Grant Shelving Unit.





The Trent Lott award?

Comment by maguro 11.13.08 @ 10:07 pm

Um, Whoops.

Comment by Chas 11.13.08 @ 10:52 pm

The River City Rivalry Trophy is ugly. If it wasn’t so heavy, maybe it wouldn’t be so ugly. I still want it though and so you should you!

Comment by Panthoor 11.14.08 @ 1:15 am

Pitt is only one of four schools to be currently ranked in the sports of football, men’s basketball and women’s basketball.

Those schools include: Pitt, North Carolina, Oklahoma and Texas.

AWESOME

Comment by Tim 11.14.08 @ 2:41 am

Couple of things – I may be the only fan that actually likes the “River City Rivalry” trophy, maybe because I appreciate the fact that it’s an engine order telegraph symbolizing the riverboats that plied the rivers between Pittsburgh and Cincinnati and early on in my career I used to inspect vessels that still used them. Anyway, it’s one of the few manufactured rivalry trophies that actually look like something it’s supposed to represent. It is strange though, but I doubt you’ll find many PITT players that don’t want to keep it at PITT for as long as possible.

As to turnovers – the stats are indicative of one thing to me, and I’ll project my thoughts to DW for this – and that is that we’ve been in a lot of close scoring and come from behind wins this season where the games have turned on one play or one series. Had we not lost the turnover battles in those games we probably would have been able to secure leads earlier and won more easily. I think that’s what DW is referring to when he keeps stressing the importance of creating opponent’s turnovers, and minimizing our own.

It makes sense that with what will probably be our three tightest matches coming up, against three teams that stack up well against us talent wise and in their W/L records, Wannstedt is thinking that us winning the turnover battles could make a big difference in those games. I think so too. Even though the stats might say differently specifically for PITT this year, it’s hard to dispute the fact that in the majority of games any little edge can be the difference between a win and a loss – and IMO PITT will need every edge we can get in these three games. In addition, TOs usually have a big impact on the player’s morale and the team’s momentum, both are factors in close games, and are something that we need to keep on our side to be successful.

Comment by Reed 11.14.08 @ 4:48 am

Right on Reed.

Comment by TJ 11.14.08 @ 8:25 am

Hoops recruit Durand Scott may not have nixed Pitt yet…
link to hailtopitt.blogspot.com

Comment by TJ 11.14.08 @ 8:30 am

Miami of Ohio gave UCLA all they could handle last night. I didn’t see the game but the box score shows they had the lead with 54 seconds to go and let it slip away. Looks like we have them next on the 17th. An early test for the team perhaps.

Comment by Ryan M. 11.14.08 @ 8:56 am

Losing the turnover battle was the prime reason we lost the Bowling Green game and one of the big reasons we lost the Rutgers game after we finally adjusted the defense. The wins with a minus ratio may be anomalies, but the losses are not. I agree with Reed regarding that it may be critical the next 3 games.

Comment by KeyboardKev 11.14.08 @ 10:40 am

Turnovers, shmurnovers.

We lost to Bowling Green because we Notre Damed it. We lost to RU because we play pass.

And we win because of Jonathan Baldwin.

Comment by steve 11.14.08 @ 11:09 am

Edit, sorry:

We lost to RU because we (didn’t) play pass.

Comment by steve 11.14.08 @ 11:10 am

You know, we knock the River City Rivalry trophy, and the “rivalry” itself all the time.

But last year when Pitt was struggling, tell me the players didn’t look absolutely thrilled to win that ugly ass thing?

It may not be a real rivalry (although who knows? it could turn into one), but hell, as long as there’s a trophy out there for the Panthers to win, I want them to win it.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my dad 11.14.08 @ 11:11 am

Two more WVU players suspended indefinitely for battery charges:

link to sports.espn.go.com

You stay classy, Morgantown.

Comment by merlin 11.14.08 @ 11:32 am

The River City Rivalry trophy is great specifically because not only did the Big East completely make up a rivalry, they made up what may be one of college football’s biggest and most detailed trophies. I bet that a couple guys wanted to make this huge trophy and needed a game in order to do it – and not vice versa.

Comment by Joey D 11.14.08 @ 11:52 am

As far as I am concerned DW can’t talk about the importance of the turnover ratio enough…What team has forced the most turnovers in college FB over the last five seasons? You guessed it…USC. Wonder if the local media there gives PC hell for talking about it too much?

Comment by HbgFrank 11.14.08 @ 12:33 pm

Jimbo – Well, I think PITT-Cincy already is turning into a rivalry as it has all the ingredients so far… PITT has beaten the other teams every time so that must rankle them and this year’s game is for first place in the BE standings, essentially putting the loser on the outside looking in for a BCS game.

I like it, and while it may never supplant PITT-WVU which has been going on for 101 years now – it adds a little incentive to each team.

Steve – you if completely discount the effect our turnovers had in that BG loss, then you are just like other fans who have to pin every loss on the coaching staff (which you did in your post) and every win on the players (which you also did in your post). That’s unrealistic and sadly, somewhat typical of a PITT fan.

Put it this way, we wouldn’t even remember those coaching decisions in the BG game had we not had those TOs. We gave them short fields on fumbles that lead directly to BG touchdowns twice – once right at the end of the 2nd quarter to tie the game at 14, and again in the 4th quarter at the PITT 11 yard line to take 27-17 lead. Even then we still had a chance to come back and ended up with our 4th and last TO.

It’s crazy not to think those four TOs didn’t have a huge impact on that final score. Yes, the coaching was poor, but still the players have to play the game and in this case the players themselves gave it away with their fumbles and INTs.

Comment by Reed 11.15.08 @ 5:43 am

Reed,

It was Bowling Green. let me repeat that, Bowling freaking Green.

The Team is 5 & 5 and they play in the MAC.

We should NEVER have lost that game.

The Coaches SUCKED! They admitted as much and it taught them a few lessons. Wanny started going for it on 4th down after that game. (not punting inside the 40) They started being more creative and agressive with the play calling after that game (not running up the middle on first & second down 85% of time) and I give them credit for doing so and I hope to never see them return to wussy “playing not to lose” play calling of the Bowling Green mess. But the coaching staff blew that game period.

We could spot Bowling Green 21 points now and still beat them by two touchdowns.

I understand that you like Wanny and crew but if you are going to blame the players for that loss you are way off base.

Comment by Tony in Harrisburg 11.15.08 @ 1:23 pm

Tony – I wasn’t shifting the blame from the coaching staff, they made very poor decisions and took the game out of the kid’s hands – which IMO is wrong on many levels. I recognized that on game-day and still believe that now.

But we were talking about the effect turnovers have in football games, and whether you like it or not, those four turnovers had a huge impact in that game.

My point was that had we not had those turnovers the players themselves could have overcome the poor coaching decisions.

Coaches have a direct influence on the game in that they control what the players are asked to execute out on the field. The players are limited to controlling the action that they take part in on the field, rarely do the players themselves have an influence on the coaching decisions. So the player’s have to take responsibility for thier part also, and in that game, on four critical plays, they didn’t execute and it hurt us. It certainly affected the outcome of that game in a negative way, there is really no denying that.

BTW – I’m a believer that it doesn’t matter anymore what conference a school comes from or what a team’s record is, on any given gameday anything can happen. Just ask USF how PITT could possibly been beaten so soundly by a poor Rutgers squad. Upsets happen with more frequency now more than ever, to a lot of good teams, so spare me the “Bowling freaking Green”. True, had we not shot ourselves in the foot out on the field we probably would have won that game, just as we probably would have won if the coaching staff had coached in a better way. But I’m not taking anything away from BG for that win – they played their hearts out also and deserve credit for that victory, regardless of how PITT played.

Comment by Reed 11.16.08 @ 5:26 am

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