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March 1, 2008

Post-‘Cuse Thoughts

Filed under: Basketball,Opponent(s) — Dennis @ 2:41 pm

— Syracuse completely handed us that game, but I think it should give our players plenty of confidence. We put ourselves into a deep hole and, with much help, pulled out of it. According to the SU blog from the Post-Standard, Pitt outscored the Orange 18-2 in the last three and a half minutes. That said, even with Syracuse choking, it should be noted the Pitt players never gave up.

— It was easy to tell the exact moment where SU decided to play the clock management game; obviously not the best decision of Jim Boeheim’s career. Apparently his players took “kill the clock” to mean “sit on the ball for 30 seconds then rush for a crappy shot in the last 5 seconds you have”. Whoops. It didn’t help the Pitt shooters started to get hot, relative to how they had been the previous 37 minutes.

— You know you found yourself laughing after Boeheim got T’d up.

— Pending a run into Friday and Saturday of the Big East Tournament, we likely knocked the Orangemen into the NIT.

— Don’t try to pile all of our frustration on the refs. Sure we get called for a lot of fouls, but many of them were actual, true fouls. Reaching in, hitting a driving shooter on the hand, etc. The most likely cause of this is the fact that Syracuse and other teams have such an easy time driving to the hoop. Once you get beat as a man-to-man defender, your last chance to stop an easy layup is to foul.

— Not that we had a huge amount of turnovers today but it was still frustrating the way many of them came. Our guards not connecting a pass to another guard and the ball going out of bounds (Fields, Ramon, Brown, and Benjamin are all somewhat guilty of this), and other stupid things. Some turnovers are acceptable, but four or five of the ones we saw against the Orange were stupid,

— Is our full-court press really that good or was Syracuse just that bad at breaking it?

— The possession in the last 25 seconds where Brown went deep into the corner and threw up a bad shot was probably the worst thing that could have happened at that point. Simply put, against a 2-3 zone you attack the red areas and stay away from the black.





I have few complaints about the fouls that were called, but the ones that weren’t were unbelievable. Someone goes over the back on Biggs and shoves him arm so he loses the rebound out of bounds – they get the ball? WTF? Young going for a rebound gets DESTROYED and shoved to the floor, no call. Blair CLEARLY gets hit in the head on the layup he misses – no call. Ramon gets dump trucked 3 feet back on a moving screen, allowing a wide open 3 – no call. But you give Fields his 4th for putting a hand on someones back? Are you fucking serious? I know SU is going to complain about the no-call at the first half – they got the same no-call when Brown got fouled at the end of the game – thats why he just threw the ball up. He couldn’t believe there was no call. There was just no consistency in the ones they didn’t call. And for the record there was no foul on the last play – the kid lost the ball on his own, and Young came around and grabbed the free ball. Why he was even dribbling with 8 sec left in that game, i’ll never know. Eat shit assholes. Whine all you want, no one is going to listen to that garbage 2 years in a row.

Comment by Stuart 03.01.08 @ 3:00 pm

Great confidence boost for Brown. What happened to Wannamaker?

Comment by alcofan 03.01.08 @ 3:18 pm

That is weird…we won playin 7 guys, only 2 subs…plus 4 minutes from an 8th guy. Wannamaker not in the game at all…hopefully we’re not tired on monday…

…more on the defense later….

Comment by Stuart 03.01.08 @ 3:25 pm

I think a big positive for Pitt is that they finally out-rebounded an opponent, something they have not done recently. Even more impressive is that they did so with Blair only playing 26 minutes and grabbing 6 boards. Benjamin had 7 rebounds and Young and Brown both had 5.

Comment by Sean 03.01.08 @ 3:34 pm

so right about that zone , when brown drove baseline my head started to throb, and then that shot… i can still taste the baby puke in my mouth. such a great win though, they never gave up or started taking quick stupid shots.

Comment by dc 03.01.08 @ 4:37 pm

Crazy Georgetown-Marquette finish. Like the announcer said, “You know what today is? March 1st…”

Comment by Dave in Orlando 03.01.08 @ 4:39 pm

Maybe that press is something we should look into using more often

Comment by Dane 03.01.08 @ 4:47 pm

I love pitt fans who find the negative in an exceptional win. That doesn’t happen unless Pitt makes plays. Those two threes by Brown were big time shots. BIG TIME! They had nothing to do with SU. Pitt won the game as much as SU lost it. We made plays. Period!

Comment by omar 03.01.08 @ 5:00 pm

“…as usual, a class act. he praised his teams efforts and expressed his concern for the Syr players that he knew would be hurting after such a tough loss. I don’t know about all you, but this is exactly the type of coach I want at Pitt.”

great observation, TMGPanther (In: LiveBlog: Pitt-Syracuse). I felt the same pride watching Dixon’s post-game conference; class act, indeed.

Comment by Neil 03.01.08 @ 5:45 pm

The maddening part is they show glimpses of greatness on D: the first play of the game, we trap the screener, Blair rotates to the open man, we get the steal. The second play, they trap the screener, Blair just stands there, they pass to the open man, Blair is forced to try to close out, they skip the ball across and nail a three. What the hell happened? How does it go from great to shit in one play?

And then Ramon – he plays like shit for most of the day on D. Then, the second to last play, he plays AMAZING D – denies his man the ball over and over again, is in perfect position to steal a pass to his man, and when his man finally does get the ball, he’s so far away and the clock is so far down he has to put up a wild, shitty deep 3. Perfect D. It seems the rest of the time, he’s just standing around and resting, waiting for his man to blow by him.

Blair also had a great hedge and recover to deflect a ball off his man out of bounds to get a TO. At the same time he had one where he let his man roll to the basket unimpeded for a dunk. And where the hell was the help from the PF?

The inconsistency is brutal to watch. Nothings changed from the last 4 games. Our offense is fine, but our D (save for a few glimpses of greatness in this last game) continues to be awful. More practice please.

Comment by Stuart 03.01.08 @ 6:04 pm

Oh, and that shit pump Gottlieb: what a moron. I was thinking about what he said at the end of the game. “He just needs to chin the ball and take the foul there…” Well, dickhead, if you knew anything about what was going on, you can’t “chin the ball” in your backcourt when you inbound with 15 seconds left on the clock, cause at the 5 second mark, its a turnover. What a fucking moron. I am dumber for having heard his worthless breath…

Comment by Stuart 03.01.08 @ 6:08 pm

‘How unlikely was the comeback? Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim has been the head coach at Syracuse for 33 years, and what he witnessed yesterday he said was a first.

“It’s the most disappointing game I’ve ever been involved with,” he said.’

NIT….NIT…..NIT…..

Comment by Stuart 03.01.08 @ 6:14 pm

You know what else is amazing? That EVERY KID had a huge play down the stretch….Brown, the youngest kid out there, calling for the ball after missing his last 20 3s, and buries two HUGE ones…Fields taking it to the hoop over and over again, drawing fouls, and then going 8-8 at the line over the last 3 minutes…Benji trapping his man, causing him to cough up the ball, and converting the game winning layup…Young with the steal and the precision behind the back no look pass to Benji while falling out of bounds….Ramon stealing the inbounds and converting the layup, and playing excellent defense on his man to force a bad 3 pointer and give us the ball…Blair with the recovery on defense and the huge block….everyone executed down the stretch and made huge plays, we didn’t have to be carried by one man….

Comment by Stuart 03.01.08 @ 6:30 pm

Stuart, I hope what you’re talking about is FOCUS. They’ve clearly got the talent; maybe the Panthers finally realize: it’s March, and we’re getting into (lose) “one and you’re done” territory.

Comment by Lou 03.01.08 @ 7:14 pm

Brown has been growing up, and it wasn’t obvious until Levance came back and Brown sat down. His D is missed and so is his rebounding. He can be a special player by the time he’s done.

Comment by velvil 03.01.08 @ 7:44 pm

It cracks me up that over the last 3 years, the no-calls by Big East officials are what made PITT a force. Now that the team is smaller and less physical, you have people complaining that the same calls are not being made. PITT got away with the exact fouls you are complaining about for the last 4 years. The BE is the best basketball conference in America and the way the games are called make them much better. Although I hate Tim Higgins with a passion, I think the BE refs do a great job.

Huge win today. I am glad Jimmy B says this is his most disappointing loss as a college basketball coach. There is nothing that makes me happier than seeing him or Calhoun upset. Or Huggy Bear failing a field sobriety test.

Comment by Todd Gack 03.01.08 @ 8:18 pm

These guys: clearly a foul, clearly a foul, yip, yip, yip. Give Pitt its due already.

Comment by steve 03.01.08 @ 8:21 pm

we are getting no love for the 18-2 run we had on ESPN, all they are talking about is how the last play was a foul…. PITT never gets any love by anyone

Comment by Glenn 03.01.08 @ 8:21 pm

I’m watching “Gamenight” right now and I was just going to say the same thing Glenn. Young’s steal may very well have been a foul, but there were plenty of questionable calls today.
Bilas claims “A foul at the beginning of the game is a foul a the end of the game.” Well, why are we focusing on a single play and not the bigger picture? Probably because it makes “better” TV.
ESPN is a joke in terms of journalism. They’ve become one of the rings in the cirucs. This is what happens when one entity (ESPN/Disney) makes an effort to choke out all competition. Sure, ESPN is the world leader in sports “coverage.” It’s just that the coverage sucks.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 03.01.08 @ 8:29 pm

Jamie’s a bitch

Comment by p-mo 03.01.08 @ 8:29 pm

For fans like me who have been following Pitt basketball for 40 years, winning at Syracuse is always a big deal. Plus the team looks like the one I saw in December – confident, scrappy, and willing to put in on the line for a late-game win. Hooray that Fields is back, in spirit if not in skill level just yet.

Comment by TonyinHouston 03.01.08 @ 8:30 pm

I always thought you attacked a 2-3 at the foul line and on the baseline.

Have I been mislead all these years?

Comment by In My Seat 90 Minutes Before Kickoff 03.01.08 @ 8:36 pm

Agree with Dave. No mention of the 18-2 run? And just look at the poll on ESPN.com today: Is this a Red Sox nation or a Yankee country? Makes me somewhat proud that it’s been probably almost 2 years since I’ve watched an entire Sportscenter. Seriously, if you want highlights and want to think for yourself, watch the FSN Final Score. It’s a much better alternative.

Comment by mjb 03.01.08 @ 9:09 pm

Dick Vitale on Michale Beasley picking up his second foul on a charge early in the Kansas St. – Kansas game:

“What are the Zebra’s doing? Taking the kid and putting him on the bench two minutes into the game?”

Which is it ESPN? Let them play or call the fouls as they occur? I don’t know why this is irking me so much. But it is…

Comment by Dave in Orlando 03.01.08 @ 9:10 pm

seriously though guys, as much as it pains me to say, that was a foul at the end of the game. the big east refs should call it as they see it. our defense was absolutely horrendous all game and we won because they gave it to us, not because we took it. Blair, if he wants to be any sort of star, cannot play defense the way he has the past two games. Getting torn apart by John Williamson is not something to be proud of. Granted, he is the one putting in the most effort during games, there are things in his game that must change over the next few years for him to truly develop into a superstar. As for our perimeter game, I understand that Levance is our go-to-guy, but 1-8 on threes? I don’t know whether to blame Jamie or him, but either way, that should never ever ever ever happen again. Outside shooting is what gets us during our tournament wins (look it up) and I think that it is more a matter of shot selection than stingy defense. Tell me what you think

Comment by p-mo 03.01.08 @ 10:56 pm

“I always thought you attacked a 2-3 at the foul line and on the baseline.

Have I been mislead all these years?”

Foul line: yes (as illustrated in the post).
Baseline: no, the zone will easily trap you down there (as seen during the game).

Comment by Dennis 03.01.08 @ 11:13 pm

p-mo…I have the game on DVR, I slowed the SY steal down and watched it at least a dozen times, there is no way that you can say with certainty that he fouled the guy (there was a ref immediately in front of and behind the play)…You could make a case that KB had a reach in before the turn over, but that would have been ticky tack…One thing that can be said with certainty, after slowing the play down on DVR, is that Brown was whacked in the face just before his wild shot near the end of the game…The kid thought he was shooting two…So basically, even if SY did foul the guy, that just made up for the no call on the Brown play.

Comment by HbgFrank 03.02.08 @ 12:18 am

Check this link out from a Syracuse website…It shows a recerse angle on the play where Young takes the ball from Harris and dishes the ball to Benjamin..There is no foul on the play, and the Syracuse player, Harris admits there was no foul, case closed:

link to syracuse.com

Comment by jumpingjohnnie_class82 03.02.08 @ 4:09 am

p-mo,
no, Jaime’s my bitch. He can keep dishing it. I like it!

Comment by texaspanther 03.02.08 @ 3:55 pm

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