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February 19, 2008

Another Gamble

Filed under: Basketball,Recruiting — Chas @ 12:30 am

No denying that Pitt hasn’t had any luck with JUCOs lately. I know, personally, that I would just as soon Pitt not bother any more. JUCOs are so hit or miss given the competition and coaching questions.
That hasn’t stopped Pitt from getting a verbal from Jermaine Dixon. A 6’2″ guard for the Tallahassee Community College Eagles.
If you believe Pitt is due for a JUCO recruit to pan out for the first time since Ontario Lett, then this might be it.

If you believe in bloodlines, then this is a great recruit. Dixon is the younger brother of former Maryland great Juan Dixon — now with the Toronto Raptors. Dixon was also being recruited by K-State and Arkansas.

According to the numbers he’s the leading scorer and rebounder on the team. He’s shooting 48% overall, but only 27% on 3s. He appears to be a good free throw shooter — 78%. To this point, he’s also taken more than twice as many shots as any of his teammates. His assist to turnover numbers are not pretty 89-82. He does have 69 steals, though.
In December he was named co-NJCAA Player of the Week. He’s been the best player on this team.
He’s listed as a point guard, so I thought he was being brought in to provide more depth behind Fields and perhaps serve the transition for the following year. The thing is, he was just moved there this year.

His role has evolved from shooting guard to running the point for the Eagles. Even so, Jermaine often finds a way to demonstrate the kinds of skills that can’t be taught.

It’s not unusual for him to come off a screen to find an opening, often firing up shots that seem to be going nowhere before they suddenly rip through the net.

“That’s what I knew growing up — shoot the ball,” he said. “You just have to stay focused on the rim. If you’re focused on the rim you can get it.”

While Jermaine got better at perfecting the difficult shots with help from his brothers, he wasn’t always considered the best on his high school teams. But he wanted to be and by his senior year at Maine Central Institute he was ranked the sixth-best shooting guard in the state.

For some reason being the 6th best shooting guard in Maine isn’t totally reassuring.

This one is a head scratcher to me. Dixon seems more like a combo or shooting guard. Definitely not a pure point guard which I could better understand. The bright point is that he can shoot well off of screens and appears to be a slasher to the basket.





Looks like ther’re not sold on Wannamaker for next yr.

Comment by alcofan 02.19.08 @ 8:28 am

That’s fine, but get somebody better than this guy. Dixon’s recruiting is very curious sometimes, to say the least.

Comment by Mark 02.19.08 @ 8:45 am

Yes, his recruiting is curious at times but he does get alot of mileage from players that were overlooked or diamonds in the rough. I have to say Jamie is a good coach and does know how to assemble a team to play within his system, let’s give this one some time.

Comment by Stuart Margolin 02.19.08 @ 8:58 am

I think this means that Dixon has realized that Wannamaker is a SG, not a PG. And if this guy doesn’t pan out, he’s only around 2 yrs. He’s basically a replacement for cassin diggs/austin wallace, who according to the post-gazette, one will leave the program. I’m hoping for diggs.

Comment by derf 02.19.08 @ 10:31 am

Being the 6th best shooting guard in Maine isn’t exactly faint praise, there are very good players up here on post-grad teams. Jaron Brown played at MCI.

Comment by Pat 02.19.08 @ 11:01 am

Recruiting guys like this is how you wind up scoring 28 points in 27 minutes at Marquette in February.

Comment by Jeff 02.19.08 @ 11:28 am

why does pitt constantly have to reach for projects. the kid from texas (by way of jamica) has only played basketball for 2- 3 years. I guess its too much to ask for dixon to get legit BE talent.

Comment by Kurt 02.19.08 @ 11:53 am

I’m not saying this kid will be good or not, but consider the facts – because they’re over the scholarship limit now, he’ll likely replace Cassin Diggs or Austin Wallace. Next year we need another guy who can play PG to compete with Woodall (or SG to compete with Wannamaker) much more than either Diggs or Wallace.

Yes, his assist-turnover ratio isn’t the greatest, but he’s also one of only three players on the team who have more assists than turnovers (Pitt, by comparison, has six such players). I’d chalk some of that up to coaching, so I would hope he’d improve.

This guy is leading his team in scoring, rebounding, AND assists this year. Yes, his shooting percentage isn’t the greatest, but again, all we’re looking for is someone to push Woodall and Wanamaker. Even if he never turns into a star, he’ll likely play more than Diggs or Wallace would (unless he’s downright terrible).

I’m actually not terribly against this move. I’d like to have a better player, too, but maybe we couldn’t get one.

Comment by MaileMan2001 02.19.08 @ 12:29 pm

Maybe he is Jamie’s illegitimate child.

Comment by wannstache 02.19.08 @ 12:41 pm

I think its reatarded everyone is burying Diggs when the kid is hurt. He’s be playing before McGhee (which he was until he got hurt). He isn’t as awful as people think, just hurt.

Maybe this kid turns out fine – I don’t think cook was that awful, he worked out fine.

I still think its hard for dixon to recruit kids who want to get to the NBA cause he can’t point to any guards he’s put there…give him time. He runs a clean, successful program. How long did it take Calhoun to get to the final four? How long did it take Boeheim to win a NC?

Comment by Stuart 02.19.08 @ 2:04 pm

“I guess its too much to ask for dixon to get legit BE talent.”

Yeah, Dixon is terrible at getting legit players and winning in the Big East. Fields, Brown, Young, Blair, Biggs, etc. should all be playing in the Atlantic Ten or lower.

Comment by MVK 02.19.08 @ 4:03 pm

Kurt,
What is your basis for your comment on Dixon not getting legit BE talent?

Comment by Fcuk Paterno 02.19.08 @ 4:21 pm

Inferior talent leads to inferior play…look at the Rutgers game, the Marquette Game, Hell even the WVU game where we had to pull off a win by shear desperation. The point is Pitt has been good enough long enough that they should start getting more players like Blair and Young, not like this guy….part of coaching is recruiting and it’s high time Jamie starts to pick it up, he sure isn’t getting paid chicken fee.

Comment by Marco 02.19.08 @ 5:30 pm

Why…this is bad recruiting…this Dixon needs Barry(Manhattan) back in the mix they have no idea what there doing over there. Who was the others going after this guy? Like I said numerous times Pitt is going to get passed by Duquense as far as athletes and talent in the next 3 years!

Comment by Why Dixon 02.19.08 @ 5:53 pm

this is the downside to internet recruiting sites. Ever wonder why these ‘experts’ aren’t coaches? Because half of their analysis is based on what offers a player has. I think we’ve all become too spoiled with the recent success (myself included), and if you call this a down year, we’re still going to make the NCAA tourney.

And if duquesne ever surpasses pitt in anything sports related, we’re in trouble.

Comment by derf 02.19.08 @ 6:17 pm

We should ban anyone that has this high of an opinion of the school on the bluff. Dixon is running one of the top programs in the BE year after year. I won’t spout the stats, but over the last 5 years we are at the top of BE. I don’t know anything about this JUCO player, but I’m sure not going to second guess Dixon before I even see the guy play. I guess I’m just not as up on my JUCO players as some others on this site.

Comment by TMGPanther 02.19.08 @ 6:33 pm

legit BE talent at guard isn’t under 6 foot tall, get burned repeatedly on drives to the basket, have a center under 6’10” heck uconn probably has 3 contributing players over 6’10” and i’d venture a guess no guards under 6 ft. also, would like to see dixon actually sign guys uconn, syracuse , unc & duke at least look at, let alone offer. Pitt’s talent is nowhere near the jerome lane charles smith days, even bobby martin sean miller and jason matthews had more talent than current crop. we used to recruit all over the country, matthews (LA), vontego cummings (GA) Issac Hawkins (NO). had several playeys from vaunted oak hill va (Brian Shorter). that is legit BE talent. Sam Young is close to this level, but takes too many games off, where he just disapears. typical BE guard Mcneal from Marquette 6’3″ goes to the rim and can shoot. we don’t have anything even close on our roster. JD is an ok coach, runs a clean program, recruits average talent, coaches it up some, but must get the elite player to get over the top. all i am saying, hire terrelle pryor’s dad for an assistant coach or someone like that (danny Manning) and get over the top already!!!!

Comment by Kurt 02.19.08 @ 8:07 pm

Yeah, if you want to compete year in and year out with the UNC’s and UConn’s of the world, you’re going to have to recruit better players than the Cassin Diggs’ and Jermaine Dixons of the world. It’s that simple.

Comment by Jeff 02.19.08 @ 8:22 pm

I don’t know why all of you are so unhappy with the JUCO, all I needed to see was the following: “It’s not unusual for him to come off a screen to find an opening”…That is something sorely lacking from our guard play at the moment. I’m happy!

Comment by HbgFrank 02.19.08 @ 8:48 pm

Never let reality get in the way of a good rant.

Let me get this straight. After a recruiting class that was ranked anywhere from #16 to #26 depending on the site, this is average talent?

Dixon is an “ok” coach who “coaches it up some” but doesn’t recruit Big East talent. Clearly he must only be “ok” to get the team near the top of the Big East every year with that sub-BE talent. Personally, every time I see this dual complaint leveled it boggles me. He is an average coach and an average recruiter but the results are above average. Must be the new math.

Jerel McNeal may go to the basket, but he is a 44% shooter and only 27% from outside. That compares to Benjamin, Brown and even Fields.

Villanova has recruited top classes (like last year) and then had to wait a couple years for them to develop any consistency to make a run. Ask ‘Nova fans how that roller coaster feels.

How about Marquette? All that talent in the backcourt, they haven’t done much post-Wade. The past two years they have gone out in the first round.

Please take a look at the recruiting rankings at Scout and Rivals you are putting such a high value upon. Fields was a 4-star prospect as was Wanamaker and even Biggs — who was offered by ‘Cuse and ‘Nova. Nasir Robinson had interest from both Syracuse and UConn. McGhee was plucked out of Indiana. Dodson had an offer from G-town.

I’m not satisfied with not getting past the sweet 16, but the way you paint things, Pitt is actually Providence.

Comment by Chas 02.19.08 @ 9:37 pm

Kurt…where do you get your weed? Jamie Dixon is an ok coach? What more can you ask from the guy. He is a winner plain and simple, we as fans should not take for granted what he has done over the past few years. He will get this team past the sweet 16 soon enough.

Comment by max 02.19.08 @ 9:38 pm

Good posts Max and Chas. Agree completely.

Comment by TMGPanther 02.19.08 @ 11:09 pm

“How about Marquette? All that talent in the backcourt, they haven’t done much post-Wade. The past two years they have gone out in the first round.”

Understatement of the year, Chas.

Take a closer look. They haven’t won a SINGLE ncaa game this CENTURY without Dwade. Out of the last 8 years:

Missed tourney 4 times.

3 out of the 4 years they did make it, they were upset in the first round by lower seeds.

ONCE THIS DECADE, they had Dwade. Ask their fans, suddenly they’re on par with UNC and Florida. Unreal. ONE YEAR THEY WON A TOURNEY GAME. ONE.

They are the George Mason of the big east. As a matter of fact, they have won the same exacct amount of tourney games as GMU this century. Any of you that would trade Pitt’s run for that mess is a fool. Go root for Duquesne or State Penn.

Don’t worry though. After we upset ND this week, y’all will be right back on the bandwagon. We have a young team that has been devistated by injuries. I don’t care if you’re down on their prospects this year, or pissed off cause we’re not going to accomplish what we could have if we were healthy. I feel the same way. But to throw Dixon and our team (half of which are freshman) under the bus is retarded.

Comment by Stuart 02.20.08 @ 1:37 am

PS. You fools keep complaining, maybe you’ll run Dixon out of town. Then we can go back to the glory days of Pitt basketball, cause we all remember how well that worked out.

Comment by Stuart 02.20.08 @ 1:38 am

Ummmm…..before the injuries, didn’t we beat Duke?

Comment by Kevin 02.20.08 @ 7:31 am

Let’s not forget that Pitt made the finals of the BE tourney 4 out of the past 6 years and they beat some pretty good teams along the way. I understand they were on the wrong side of the championship game but still, what other team has done that? I agree that Dixon doesn’t get the 5 star athlete but you have to admit that they are always near the top of the BE during the season.

Comment by Fcuk Paterno 02.20.08 @ 8:36 am

link to pghsports.com

Potential top 50 recruit in a few years from Pittsburgh

Comment by Fcuk Paterno 02.20.08 @ 8:50 am

Pitt has made the BET Championship Game 6 of the last 7 years. They have finished no lower than 6th in the Big East since 2002. They have many 4* players in the program.

Sure, we could recruit all over and go back to the Jerome Lane, Charles Smith, Sean Miller, Demetrius Gore, Jason Matthews days, but go back and take a look at all the success that those teams had. Zero BET Championship Games, 1 shared Regular Season Title, Zero Sweet 16’s.

Where is the love for Dixon getting Ashton Gibbs, a former Top 20 player nationally who had slumped in the summer camps, but is now lighting up all of New Jersey (46 3’s in his past 9 games and averaging 28 PPG)? He will once again be at least a Top 100 player, if not higher.

He also has Woodall & Robinson coming in, both Top 100 players.

6 Title Games in the last 7 years with no legit BE Talent, who would have thunk it?

Comment by MVK 02.20.08 @ 9:29 am

Kurt,
While top notch talent would be nice, Dixon can coach the guys he gets very well. UCLA, AZ, G-town we are not, yet. But I was a PITT in the early 90’s. Do you at all look at the history of Pitt Hoops, we are doing very we. we have had zero starters from last year for bulk of the BE season, and 7-5, thats OK by me.
Scout and rivals are good sites but, predicting High school kids wit stars is a bit of BS.

Comment by Joe 02.20.08 @ 11:51 am

For people that are so obsessed with tourney results: Marquette also went out in round 1 in DWade’s sophomore year. (He sat his freshman year out with academic issues.) I know because I had him in a March Madness fantasy league and I was telling everyone at the draft that he was a steal, was going to go to the league after a big tournament, etc etc. So I was a year off…

Anyway, point is, even WITH legit superstar NBA talent, things go wrong. That George Mason team you guys are talking about beat some pretty good teams on that run, including a UConn team that had a bundle of NBA talent. That loss is MUCH worse than us losing to Kent State. Rudy Gay, Hilton Armstrong, Josh Boone, Marcus Williams + Austrie, Adrien and Rashad Anderson off the bench?! And Calhoun has won a pair of national titles. Tournament success isn’t always determined on recruiting day. Jim Larranaga may be a fine coach, but I’d take Calhoun any day. Its not always determined by coaching schemes either. Sometimes a group of guys goes out against another group of guys and they throw a ball around for a while to decide things. The bottom line is that PLAYERS HAVE TO MAKE PLAYS in the tournament. Folarin Campbell, Tony Skinn, Jai Lewis….GMU’s guys made big plays in that tournament run. Ronald Ramon made a huge one against WVU, and Levance Fields made one against Duke that I’ll never forget. But if Stephen Curry or someone else makes one against us in the tournament, that’s not going to be because Jamie stupidly ignored him in recruiting. Hell, the kid is the son of an NBA 3-point specialist, and he couldn’t get a sniff from any of the major North Carolina teams, when all he wound up doing was shooting 40.8% from 3 and pouring in almost 22 a night as a Freshman. Amen to the posts above that talk about the inexact science of recruiting. Above all, this: Pitt recruits to its needs. Its not a coincidence that Ramon is a Senior and Wanamaker is a Freshman. That’s how its supposed to work. And for those complaining about height: Ramon is a 6’1″ SG, and one of the best players on a very good Pitt team. But Dixon DID upgrade that position with Wanamaker, a 6’4″ SG. Georgetown has ONE player (Hibbert, obviously) over 6’9″. Connecticut has two, Thabeet and superstud Jonathan Mandeldove, a 0.9 ppg star. Syracuse has two, but one gets 4.4 mpg. Nova has one, a 6-10 Freshman who dnp against us, but looks to be promising. Lousiville has two, one is a senior getting 7.7 minutes a night. Marquette has one, the dreaded Ousmane Barro. Man I hate that guy. Anyway, many of the guys on these teams are 6’10”. Both Diggs and McGhee are listed at 6’10”. We’re not losing ground to these teams by recruiting the wrong height. (I don’t think we’re losing ground at all.)

Comment by Maz 02.20.08 @ 12:24 pm

The last time Pitt recruited a guard who had an NBA brother it worked out okay…Brandin Knight.

Comment by Al From Harrisburg 02.20.08 @ 12:29 pm

whoever mentioned the heights— are you absolutely nuts on those numbers? Have you stood near any of these guys? Please trust your TV and your common sense….not the stat sheet. Ramon is 6’1″ only with a 3-inch ‘fro and Wannamaker couldn’t touch 6’4″ with an effing pole. I’ve stood by all these guys multiple times and they’re small. Pitt has had a problem with undersized guards for a while…….

Comment by gb 02.21.08 @ 12:18 am

All heights for all players on all teams from espn.com’s rosters.

Comment by Maz 02.21.08 @ 12:36 pm

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