Running quickly through the stories after the loss.
The interception that Michigan State ran back for a TD, the defender doesn’t even remember it.
Safety Travis Key picked off a pass that glanced off the hands of Pitt receiver Oderick Turner and took it back 31 yards to put the Spartans up 14-7 early in the second quarter.
“I just caught the ball and ran with it,” Key said. “I can’t even remember the play to tell you the truth. I just saw the ball, grabbed it and ran it in.”
Late in the game, Michigan State’s pornstar named linebacker kept coming up big. They may call him the “Sack Man,” but when your last name is Saint-Dic there has to be a better name.
It’s not like anyone thought Michigan State was that impressive. Just that Pitt screwed up more than the Spartans.
Three turnovers by Pitt, which hosts Connecticut next Saturday, led to all of the Spartans’ scoring. Caulcrick’s TD was set up by an interception, while Travis Key ran back another pick for a score. A fumble recovery led to a field goal by Brett Swenson.
Michigan State (3-0) shut down the Panthers (2-1) on all 12 of their third-down conversion attempts, often just as Pitt appeared poised to take the lead in the hard-fought game.
“The key to the game obviously was the turnovers, and our play on third downs was pretty good — actually, great,” said Mark Dantonio, the Spartans’ head coach.
Pittsburgh head coach Dave Wannstedt said turnovers cost his team the game.
No kidding.
With a national game on ESPN, many college football fans saw it. Sunday Morning Quarterback had some good observations about the game.
As mentioned, Pitt has serious quarterback issues, so much so that, when it got the ball back on its own 31, down 17-13 with 2:54 remaining and no timeouts, I wrote: “Can’t throw well enough to move for a TD.” As it turned out, I was wrong: Smith completed a well-conceived 19-yard pass Darrell Strong and then, improbably, a 26-yard completion to Marcel Pestano on fourth-and-17 as he was falling over two MSU linemen at his feet. Instead, the Panthers couldn’t block – Smith was in 4th-and-17 because Jonal Saint-Dic had abused Pitt’s right tackle on consecutive plays, causing a fumble on second down and forcing Smith into another loss on third.
He also notes that the Pitt pass rushing was much more impressive. He has some questions about the run defense, though (while admitting the numbers disagree with his doubts), because while the rushing total reads 144 that includes QB Hoyer’s 6 sacks for -40 yards.
Former Michigan State HC and Steeler assistant in the 70s, George Perles considers Dave Wannstedt a friend.
MSU Coach Dantonio was bothered by the number of penalties by his team, but he’s not complaining about the win. MSU QB Bobby Hoyer must not be thinking about the two drops by Pitt defenders on his throws when he spoke of how he was more willing to take six sacks than throw an interception.
In the “half-full” view, Pitt went on the road for the first time since the UConn game last year without an experienced QB, no #1 WR, the starting DT out for the season, and playing a team that has traditionally played well in September before fading at some point in October; and still nearly pulled it off despite all of that and going -3 in the turnover battle that led to all of MSU’s points. Of course, you really have to want to see it.
No one is pretending Kevan Smith had anything other than a horrible game. The one good thing to say is that he didn’t hide from it or the media after the game.
“The turnovers did kill us,” Smith said. “In my eyes, I’m seeing that I gave them 14 points.”
Senior Safety Eric Thatcher spoke the obvious.
“We’ve got to start winning some of these games,” Pitt safety Eric Thatcher said. “We’ve got to step up and make the plays at the end to get the Ws.”
Yep.
A little more about Pitt’s “wildcat” set.
I hate using injuries as an excuse for a loss, but Kevin Gorman depresses the hell out of me with the O-line.
Now that McCoy has proven to be the big-time back Wannstedt has wanted, Pitt’s offensive success, or lack thereof, will be determined by the play of its offensive line.
“We’ve got to bring that group along a little bit,†Wannstedt said. “They’re getting better, they are. I don’t know what the numbers were but I thought our offensive line has improved week after week – not to the point where we’re happy about it and getting excited. That’s, unfortunately, the last group to get together.â€
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Pinkston appears to have a separated shoulder and was replaced for a few plays by redshirt sophomore John Bachman, but later returned to play the final series.
“Jason Pinkston, his shoulder slipped out of the socket,†Wannstedt said. “He goes back in and tries to play with one arm at the end. They’ve got a couple guys that are good players. We got into some mismatch problems. They pressured us a lot and we got into some pressure problems, which we anticipated.â€
Now, Pitt has to determine what to do about its line. It could leave Vangas at center, but he was overmatched against Michigan State and could have trouble handling Big East play. It could move McGlynn to center and return Joe Thomas to the starting lineup at right guard, but McGlynn might have to play right tackle if Pinkston is unable to play. The other options are Bachman and Chase Clowser.
It gets scarier when you read more about the injuries on the D-line.
Gene Collier, seemed to think part of the problem for Kevan Smith was that the O-line was still part of the problem.
In a star-crossed football season in which Pitt has already lost three starters to injury, the much-anticipated arrival of the freshman from Harrisburg would be a majestic highlight were it not timed concurrently with the fitful progress, a term used advisedly, of the Panthers’ offensive line. Coach Dave Wannstedt finally has the kind of running back around which a coherent ground-based offense can be built, but he doesn’t have the road-pavers.
“We have to bring that group along a little bit,” Wannstedt said. “They are getting better. Our offensive line has improved week by week, but not to the point that we are happy or excited about it.”
The coach pointed out that Jason Pinkston had his shoulder yanked out and was playing with one arm, and that part of the reason Michigan State sacked freshman quarterback Kevan Smith six times was breakdowns by the fullback and tight ends, but Pitt’s primary blockers are the reason this team will remain less than the sum of its parts for awhile.
Joe Starkey is all but begging Pitt to explore some variation of the spread-option offense.
Wannstedt said the offense could be expanded in future weeks. Question is, could it be used full-time, or close to it?
“Well, no,” he said, “because we have to throw the ball at some point.”
OK, but less is better. And if shifty tailback LaRod Stephens-Howling, who missed yesterday’s game with a rib injury, is ready this week, Pitt should think hard about matching him with McCoy and even speedster Maurice Williams — a former high school quarterback — in a spread-option package. Any one of them could take direct snaps.
Pitt has athletes. They might as well use them. Speedy receiver T.J. Porter took some inside handoffs from McCoy — the kind West Virginia’s Pat White often gives to Steve Slaton — and gained 36 yards on three attempts (he also had a costly fourth-quarter fumble).
McCoy likes the possibilities of a run-and-Shady offense.
“We have an offense where me and (Stephens-Howling) are in there together,” he said. “I don’t want to give up too much information, but it’s most likely we’d both be in the offense, with the spread, and the running back at the quarterback position.”
These kinds of packages usually are best-utilized as a change of pace, but Pitt is plain desperate. Plus, McCoy insists he and Stephens-Howling are capable of throwing a decent pass.
I don’t think that Wannstedt and Cavanaugh are wired to go that way. I think their brain pans would go “sproing.”
Smith is not the answer and since Bostick was not inserted into the game you really have to wonder if the coaches have any confidence in him because Bostick could have came into the game to call the plays and line up at wr.
It’s going to be interesting this week. Shady is the real deal and hats off to our d line they sacked and pressured the qb.
Nice, Levance. Way to use your f@#$ing head!! I don’t care how drunk you are, it really says something about somebody that would reach for a cop’s weapon — something very bad, that is.
This will be the last time I bring this up, because I gotta move forward and get over it, but here’s a blurb from Newark DE. Flack Joe Fucco.
NEWARK, DE — Senior quarterback Joe Flacco threw for 337 yards and tossed all three of his touchdowns in a 14-minute span to lead the No. 10 ranked University of Delaware football team to a 38-9 Colonial Athletic Association victory over Rhode Island Saturday afternoon at Delaware Stadium.
The Blue Hens (3-0, 2-0 CAA), off to a 3-0 start for the third time in the last five seasons, broke away from a slow start and defeated the Rams for the third straight time.
The previous thread is now at a count upwards 174 comments. So it makes more sense to paste my last comment here (In response to Reed’s (below)) because it’s relevant to your observations regarding Bostick. I don’t agree, but for whatever its worth, most who’ve commented tend to see the situation similarly to the way you do (or what you’ve surmised as a result).
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Comment by Reed 09.17.07 @ 7:27 am
“Yi – when discussing Bostick you have had to be able to read between the lines going back two months. It is clear…that Bostick has some real problems that are not football related… “So why is he dressed and on the team? Because he is a PITT panther, and perhaps dropping him off the active roster would be detrimental… “Regardless of why he wasn’t put in – I trust the coaches…to know what is best for the team at large…â€
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Comment by Neil 09.17.07 @ 9:47 am
Reed, it’s the fact that he (DW) sticks with his decisions even when they are questioned/ scrutinized-criticized by an overwhelming majority of fans, writers, and other media outlets reporting on the college game. Based on the last two seasons, if you’ve never thought DW inflexible/ unyielding at times (see LSH up the middle 3&outs) then you’re vision is skewed.
You sound like a good soldier, but when you fail to contemplate your commanding officer’s orders or his-her ability to make an informed decision then you’re bound to agree with whatever the rhetoric, adhering to a system of belief without ever questioning it; i.e., “smash mouth†whatever the cost, damn the personnel.
At least that’s how you make it sound when you consistently defer judgment to this coaching staff, as if they were some conglomerate of mighty genius. Unfortunately for us, it’s just not the case.
As for the Bostick debate, does anyone need question how foolish and ill-advised it is to derive “fact†from what is merely “implied†in your suggestion to “read between the lines.†To date, aside from heresy, there has been nothing released about Pat Bostick’s personal issues, regardless of sources inside the Locke room. Because even if the boy was affected by panic attacks at the time of his departure, how can you say that he equally affected by them now, or that he’s suffering mentally from the residuals of such episodes?
I’m very wary of all the hoopla surrounding the issue and would prefer to look at the coaches and their inclinations based on the past two years, rather than read into Pat Bostick’s personal-issue(s) until something ‘substantial’ is reported from a newsworthy source.
“This will be the last time I bring this up, because I gotta move forward and get over it…”
One boat has all the people that think not putting in Bostick shows Wannstedt is “inflexible” and shows he is stupid or can’t prepare players. The fact that he installed a whole seperate offense against his own wishes to run a pro-style O would seem to be at odds with at least part of this. Also, what we all saw from Bostick last week would seem to be at odds with this.
The other boat seems to defer to Wannstedt, assuming if he didn’t put Bostick in he must have good reasons to do so and don’t think it would have made our QB problem get any better. They think Wannstedt showed his flexibility by installing a Wildcat/Option offense. Maybe these people are delusional because it could be possible Wannstedt is making the wrong decision on the QB, and Bostick is better this week than Smith in that game. Maybe he is inflexible because he’d rather use a whole gimmick offense instead of putting in the correct personnel.
So, which boat are you in?
Good call on the 180+ rushing yards being given up. Plus our DBs were out of position several times and allowed easy catches – but at least they tackled better. This is why I said they played “very good” defense, not “excellent” defense. Some may think this is splitting hairs, but against a mediocre team, “very good” holds then to 3 points, who knows with average or above average teams. I know I get hammered every time I say this, but I’m sticking to it.
On the 32 yard pass play that led to their only offensive TD, I have Scott McKillop leaving that guy wide open – he had coverage on him, but left to to try to cheat back up field to try to bring down the scrambling QB. Everyone else maintained coverage on their man, no one was open.
Any mention of Joe Flacco is nonsense. We didn’t toss him off the team. Its not our fault he wanted to go start for a small program instead of ride pine behind Palko. There is nothing we could have done. You lose recruits every year because they didn’t want to sit behind better players, and go to worse schools to be starters. What should we do, play a different QB in every quarter? Are we supposed to promise players guaranteed playing time coming out of HS, instead of playing the best player(s)? Is this little league baseball? You’re pointing out the sky is blue, and trying to relate it to Pitt football wins and losses. Why you would bring it up ever, at all, is beyond me.
Wannstedt said there are more variations to the Wildcat offense, they just didn’t want to show all the future teams the whole thing, considering it was working with the limited plays we were running. There will be more suprise plays in the future, probably even some throwing. I think the biggest mistake they made was when they drove the field using it down to within the 10, they got scared, and “tossed it in reverse” and went back to the offense they prefer to try to finish the dirve. Didn’t work out at all. The second biggest mistake was on that 3rd and 1, even i knew what was coming, even with the weird formation, Shady up the middle. That was a bad call.
But we can all expect more looks from this in the future. No reason to show all future teams everything when it was working to move the ball.
Finally, a combination of our crappy O line and Smith’s inability not to suck right now caused the INTS. The first int was caused by the center and and right guard both going to their right, putting 3 of our lineman on 2 of their lineman, the left guard and tackle each had a lineman, leaving 2 LB to come through the gap, and the RB could only take the first one. The TE didn’t block anyone because he was running a route – and freshman Smith stared at Byham from the moment he got the snap until he threw it to him – because he had to get rid of the ball in a hurry because the LB was taking his head off. Everyone on the D could see from the very first second where it was going. Lots of fuckups on that play.
The second INT was all Smith’s fault – you try and catch a 60 mile an hour high left pass that you have to jump for. It seems Smith has 2 throws he can make – “Full Power” or “Float.” And he can’t figure out what situation to use each one in, he can’t figure out that there are levels between those two, and he isn’t very accurate.
It sucks though we can’t score in 2.45 at the end of a game. It went terrible throw, perfect throw, then our Oline sucking and taking a penalty (thanks Vangas). Smith getting scared when he had protection and running for his life. Pinkston getting beat like a little girl. (If he’s that injured, put in a a backup anyone – he’s doing nothing – later they replace him with McGlynn who does fine). Pinkston getting beat again by the same move so Smith gets scared and McCoy stops blocking his man, hoping for a dump off pass, instead, nothing. Smith having no pocket presence when there was protection, but completes a sweet pass on 4th down anyways. Spike. Then Collins misses his blocking assignment 100%, even after the left tackle points out the man to him, so a man comes free and destroys the QB. Spike. Hail mary.
So as much as i thought Smith sucked, it was a combination of a terrible offensive blocking and a scared freshman heading for disaster together. If we could shore up the line/blocking a little bit (its not talent, its missed assignments and injuries) and get Smith to calm down, we may be alright. Thats a big if though.
That is all.
Think of the positives once our qb gets his confidence to go along with the new and improve running game the sky is the limit.
Please remember, we are all fans. Unless someone on this blogs knows more about the pitt personnel than the staff we have to go with their choice.
Another thing is that some of you cats are extremely ruthless with your decison about pulling players, demoting players, offensive nad defensive schemes. I doubt too many high caliber players would want to play for some of you.
Come on.. we played a great game. Lets take that momentum to next week
Also… no more Flacco talk.
Arkansas uses that formation with Darren Mcfadden quite a bit. If a team isn’t expecting it, it will do a lot of damage.